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Production Proposals / Re: FUBT Exchange
« on: August 26, 2019, 08:23:43 am »
I see we have a quite new topic in regarding new exchange listing. We have two choices, first one FUBT exchange and second one TOKOK exchange. I tried to make an account and look at them. I was a little bit dissapointed when I tried to make an account on FUBT exchange. Directly in register form I need to put in confirmation code sent via short message or via email. Unfortunatelly short message even email confirmation have not worked in my case. I used Slovak phone number and email. I haven't receive anything. I tried it from France IP, email confirmation worked but I receive email in Chinese. Translated via google translator. After registration I tried to log in, again I needed to confirm log in by code but I havent receive anything. Ok I closed this issue with statement that FUBT is not very user friendly in Europe. Ill try it maybe later ones again.
On the other hand I had no problem with TOKOK exchange, fast registration, everything worked just fine. Exchange platform looks fast enough even in Europe and looks user friendly.

Regarding coingecko parameters both of them are looking very good on the first look. On the second look both of the exchanges has much more lower daily Normalized Volume as Daily Volume. In my opinion this means they have many trading robots and their volumes are penalised and Normalized volume decreased. This is not good sign. So real volume we can say FUBT about 400k daily and TOKOK 1mil daily normalized volume. In comparisn with Southxchange has max 100k daily.
So when I compared daily volumes TOKOK looks better and according to information from Rob's post on listing fee is cheaper. It means 2 BTC for Exchange with 1mil daily volume.

When you take a look on trading statistics it looks than biggest percentage of trades are in trading pairs with USDT. What do you think about that? I dont know if we have possibility maybe list BBP/USDT trading pair. It looks this should be good move?

According to my first comparism I will vote for TOKOK exchange.

I too saw the volume seem to decline on Gecko.  What we really dont know, IE we are guessing at, is what flags CoinGeckos normalized volume algorithm to decrease the 400 million trading volume down to 1 mil for example.  I wish I knew. 

I am starting to agree with your perspective on Tokok.  For one we cant really afford much.  If we forgo the PR we may end up with more volume at Tokok.  We have to be careful because this exchange decision will keep us out of new exchanges for a year if we are wrong.  If we are right, it will pay for itself in a short period of time.

Im going to try to go to another person at FUBT and demand answers now.

Also, we should analyze volume during the week and see if the reduction in volume was due to the weekend.  What Im pointing out is I remember gecko showing 400MM daily gross vol and 1 mil net for a few days then it appeared to drop drastically down below 200MM gross and only 200K net for the last few days - almost like FUBT is going *out of business*.

We certainly don't need that problem after all we've been through, we need a winner.

- Regarding the UI comparison between the two:  I agree with you - even in the US.  I selected English on both platforms.  The main problem I had with FUBT is I had to fill the KYC out (and the system never did change from China for the country even though I selected US- their customer service said I need to manually contact them to fix it). 

In Tokok, I had no problem reading the pages as a US citizen, OR trading as a us citizen without a KYC (since they are in the virgin islands).  (I traded GIN successfully on TOKOK).

I asked Tokok, is this the BEST deal you can give us - they said Yes, 2btc is the very minimum (last night).   

Production Proposals / Re: Aug 2019 - Block reward breakdown adjustment
« on: August 25, 2019, 12:38:19 pm »
I want the GSC payments to be large enough to incentive people to go that route. Of course, as a Sanctuary-owner, I would be nice to have some direct rewards, but I think it's also important for our survival to grow long-term. GSC seems to be a very pleasant way to grow, since it's helping others in the process, and - in my view - has the potential to onboard a lot of new people. I don't really know enough of the variables involved to make a good decision at this point in time, to I'm leaning to abstain my vote for now...

I agree with you Jaap that GSC is our nicest method for new user rewards (other than heat mining).

The net effect of MIPs proposal has changed GSC from 30% to 25% of our daily rewards, so it was not a huge blow to it.  You can always post a counter argument here for MIP to tweak his final assessment before we vote (although we vote soon!).

One thing Sun has brought up recently is how disgruntled small fish are competing with the whales in the POG campaign.  So I think if you agree with this proposal % change as is, probably the biggest impact you can make is help design an idea that would limit how much whales can take from POG, and allow more to flow to the small fish.  But it has to be done in a secure way, where it cannot be hacked by outsiders who try to game the system.  Right now only true coin-age that is not invested in sancs that has a tithe attached can earn a reward.  So its a big improvement over many many schemes, but still the whales get the biggest rewards.  Finding a way to reward newbies would potentially increase onboarding, but we are all at a loss as to how to improve that.

Production Proposals / Re: FUBT Exchange
« on: August 25, 2019, 12:25:05 pm »
I'm having some reservations. I like the promotion-deal and the fact that it's non-English. Do they have a Chinese equivalent of Twitter or something where you can see interaction between them and the persons that use the platform?

Most of our volume is on southXchange. volume is very low, although it's ranked higher on coingecko than FUBT, so I don't know if adding another exchange will increase volume perse. But as I said, it's a non-English exchange, so it might help.

My reservations are mostly because it's hard for me to determine if they are actually as high-volume as they claim.

Thanks Jaap.

I'll add a few more points and see if they resonate with others as we near the time where we need to decide what we vote on.

I feel the promotional component of the deal "may" be valuable (I'm just a little more skeptical of PR now that we have been in business for 2+ years and our airdrop campaigns were pretty weak, and our efforts to bring people through ads were kind of weak, and dont get me wrong, Im very happy we did everything we did) just saying I feel the 1 bitcoin component of the deal is probably going to be lateral (if that).  IE maybe we see 100 new users over 90 days. 

The biggest pro I feel comes from Nick is his point about the 2 million registered Chinese traders.  Some of them are whales.  They buy/sell 10 million in BTC per day.  What I want to see is a few of those whales start interacting with BBP.  Impho, I think this is where the value is in the plan (penetrating the Asian crypto trading community).

I asked Nick candidly, do they think they will be dedicated and stay in this business.  Nick said, they are one of the few Chinese exchanges who conformed to the "94 regulation".  This is something where KYCs are required and they passed the strict audits of the Chinese Govt (they are allowed to operate in China and I believe also in Hong Kong).  He said they are in for the long run and indeed plan to improve the exchange and grow.  He wants to aim for being on par with Binance - although I guess any exchange will shoot for that.

EDIT:  I just emailed Nick to see if we can get insight on volume.
One thing that makes me nervous is the coingecko declining volume I see as of today compared to last week.

On the twitter:  I think if you click on CoinGecko, see if the twitter link comes up there.

We need to check this volume out in depth.

Also, anythink on Tokok anyone?

Production Proposals / Re: Aug 2019 - Block reward breakdown adjustment
« on: August 17, 2019, 07:04:27 pm »
For some reason I cannot edit posts (not even OP)

But yes, I do agree with your proposed reward distribution
20% - Charity and Governance
25% - GSC
35% - Sanctuary budget
20% - POBH/Security

I also agree that, if approved, it must be deployed whenever is best for the coin's interest, not immediately.

Ok, sounds good.

Production Proposals / Re: FUBT Exchange
« on: August 17, 2019, 06:49:08 pm »
I'm doing some testing to see if I feel warm and fuzzy about this proposal.

So far I've created an account with FUBT, and found US customers need to have a KYC to trade.
However, after asking Nick about this, he explained due to the "94" regulation(s) in China, KYC is required for every exchange going forward.


Here are the instructions that US users need to go through to trade on FUBT.
First its critical you choose USA as the Country when you join.
If your Account Settings say China, you can still send a KYC by populating your Drivers License # and then contacting Support to fix the Country.

Instructions to link KYC into your FUBT Account:

Production Proposals / August payroll (Apr) 2019
« on: August 17, 2019, 10:23:39 am »
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This was approx 120 hours - capping @ 1.5 MM this month due to budget constraints.

We have an offer to be listed from Paul at for 2btc.

Tokok does 442 MM per day - see CoinGecko:

If listed, Rob would provide the initial funding by loaning BBP the 2btc.
BBP would remunerate Rob in 12 payments of .16 btc each.

This is a competing proposal to provide entrance into the Asian market.
Impho, I recommend the sancs to vote on either one or the other (but not both) as I don't think we can afford both proposals.

Please evaluate Tokok, as we want the most honest and liquid exchange in Asia for BBP.


The gross deal (Updated August 29th 2019 after superblock 141450 paid):

** Note: I have inspected the New Exchange Fund as of 8-29-19 and found we have .0797 BTC and 1,350,000 in the treasury (see New Exchange Fund Report).  In light of this I will post a credit of .0797 to Rob as payment #2 and offer Tokok a 1,350,000 airdrop- to reconcile this exactly to the penny **

- Listing fee - 2 BTC (goes directly to Tokok)
- Airdrop campaign/PR - Tokok delivers 1.35MM to Tokok Traders

Payments to Tokok:
Will pay 2btc for listing fee
Will pay 1,350,000 For Airdrop

Payments from Superblocks back to Rob for this deal:


Payment #1 -  3,647,790.00 (Paid in superblock  141450) - RECEIVED BY ROB - .211 BTC PAID
Payment #2 - .0797 BTC - RECEIVED BY ROB
Payment #3 - Adding Proposal for 1,000,000 bbp for September 2019  (Will edit after it wins God willing)

** TestNet Update **

Just to give everyone an update as to what is going on:
Of course our TestNet testing is vital and is not being deprioritized by any means.

We still want to shoot for roughly an end of October timeline to at least have our next codebase ready for deployment (in case something accelerates the need for the release, as its important to be safe and on the ball).

The reason for the recent lack of posts is I've been in 'programming hermit' mode working on some of the promised features for EOQ 3.  For example BIPFS (BiblePay IPFS).

I will be posting a wiki very soon explaining all of this.

The schedule is on-track for an on-time release, so I feel confident we can begin testing chainlocks very soon and get back to more testnet as well.

Some of the code in BIPFS requires some code changes in the core in testnet btw (leisure changes).

Note that Dash recently had to tweak .14 in Prod due to some hackers spamming prod transactions.  We will pull these things in ASAP and ensure we are up to date.

Production Proposals / FUBT Exchange
« on: August 15, 2019, 06:15:22 pm »
** Deal to List BiblePay with FUBT Exchange - Hong Kong **

I've been in contact with Mr. Yue and Nick Lee from FUBT for one year about potentially listing BiblePay.

A year ago the price quote was too high (IE over 5 bitcoins).

Over the last few months, Mr. Yue had quoted me 3 BTC to list, and I told him we would continue to evaluate their platform as our next exchange and continue to save up funds for our next exchange.

Over the last week, I started talking to Nick.  Nick explained that out of the 3 BTC fee, FUBT will spend a certain amount of money on promoting a new coin (IE they reach out to 50 media companies, and blast a summary of the coin, and promote it for a certain number of days in Asia).  Nick estimates the PR to be worth around $5000~ (or up to 1btc depending on its reception level).

Recently, our coin has been reviewed by FUBT's coin quality assessment group and they consider us to be an "A" grade coin (similar to SouthXChanges ranking system).  They again approached us and re-quoted us a listing for 6btc.  I explained it is out of the ballpark.

Recently, Nick explained to me he can only guarantee the 3 btc fee for a short period of time and we may lose our discount status if we don't try to make an offer soon.

I agreed to take a look at FUBT this month and attempt to create a deal that may possibly work with BiblePay.

FUBT does approx $500 mil per day total volume according to coinmarketcap and coingecko, (not the gecko normalized volume).  From looking at a comparison between Tokok, FUBT, Bittrex and SouthXChange, FUBT appears to be about 50* bigger than southxchange.  Nick explained to me they have 2 million registered traders at FUBT.

Estimating the size of this investment, 3btc ($35,000), I estimate that we would see a potential increase of $5 - $10,000 per day in trading volume (based on similar coins to BiblePay) and this would potentially lead to a market cap increase in BiblePay, *potentially* paying off the investment within a short duration.  (Nick tends to think we would be received well in Asia and coins like us trade more than $20K per day, but this is speculative.)

I feel this move into Asia is something BiblePay currently needs, as we trade almost exclusively in the US.  I think the 2 mil additional accounts complement our needs to a high degree.

In light of this, if the sanctuaries agree, I am offering to help this listing along with the following offer:

If this proposal is voted in and the Security Check passes (this is an internal freshdesk ticket with FUBT senior management to verify the exchange proposal is signed and agreed upon by BiblePay and FUBT):
Rob sends FUBT 3 btc from his personal account (lending BBP 3 btc)
Rob enters a 12 part proposal to recoup .25btc per month until the 3 btc is paid back

FUBT Provides:

- Listing BTC/BBP trading Pair
- 1BTC worth of promotion (Media blitz with 50 media outlets, 1-2* depending on market appreciation)
- At least 4 mandatory upgrades per year with no fees (I verified this with Nick)
- The go live would be towards the end of September 2019 and media blitz around mid September

** If anyone has anything negative to report about FUBT please report it now **

Proposal Payment dispursement breakdown:

Payment 1 of 12:
BTC @ 10567 : .25BTC * 10567 / .000724 = 3,647,790 BBP

(Note, as each month occurs I will update the remaining payments until we hit 3 btc)

Production Proposals / Re: Aug 2019 - Block reward breakdown adjustment
« on: August 08, 2019, 08:11:07 pm »
With the new GSC system that came as an exciting novelty in Biblepay Evolution codebase, the block reward breakdown was substantially changed to

GSC 40%
PoBH 20%
Masternodes 20%

(remaining 20% consists of Charity/IT/PR monthly superblock)
I believe that this breakdown strongly discourages MN owners and gives incentive to dismantle MNs and bet for the bigger ROI of GSC.

While we all will benefit from the inflow of new users that GSC brings, at this moment GSC is reported to be 10-12 times more profitable than MNs.

Also, Masternodes operation has associated costs and burdens, and in the near future MNs will have a key role in maintaining the network integrity with LLMQ.

Because of this I would like to propose a more balanced reward breakdown of:

GSC 30%
PoBH 20%
Masternodes 30%

This still leaves GSC room to grow, without eroding too much the original promise of 40% reward for MN owners.

PoBH remains untouched as I believe it's critical for the integrity and the added value of Biblepay chain.

According to our current reward schedule we actually give 20% to charity, 30% to GSC, and then we split the remaining 50% among POBH/Sanc (So Sanc should be receiving 25% right now, and POBH/Heat mining 25% right now).

2) Although I agree that security is of the utmost importance, let us remember that since this change would require a mandatory, the very earliest it would be implemented is with or after ChainLocks goes into prod.  ChainLocks technically means we will be immune to 51% attacks (and forks), because each block will be monitored by the Sanc Quorum, giving us more freedom to implement "cool" things without compromising security.

In light of that, I think we might possibly be able to take 5% percent from POBH (simply because it's mostly wasted heat) with the requirement that ChainLocks be in place first.

And take the remaining 5% from the GSC.  This would change it to:

20% - Charity and Governance
25% - GSC
35% - Sanctuary budget
20% - POBH/Security

Do you agree with this, if so could you please edit the OP post for further clarity on what they would be voting on?

If not, please let us know that we should tweak again.

Thanks, this sounds pretty good overall, as what you said about "original plan" resonates with me.  Although I will add that we did vote in GSC's for the extensibilty and flexibility of biblepays future.

Also, we should post this link on bitcointalk and publicize this once its ready.

Hmm, my sanc has the external IP in the biblepay.conf:

Code: [Select]


Not that exciting, I’m afraid. I thought each time in testnet we start from scratch so I didn’t pay much attention to the wallets. Anyway, I managed to resurrect the 239.200 as the VPS was still around.

Oh good on the reason :), haha, OK.
Yes, I remember the two I had trouble with had the port in there also and yours does not.
It makes me think you could comment out yours, as it might not be used.

Set it up using the binaries from MIP and the quick sync script and it was fast and effortless! Used the Dash method from scratch (bit more complicated) and here it is...
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"33ff087061fad94af7e4f1f73ff56af47f9b34e802cd845f5cf765b13944d453-1": {
   "proTxHash": "520ebc4e8fb36d335e89d3527c88e0096bb605983efbd339f78d17be12ce453e",
   "address": "",
   "payee": "yXhRHuA2YsV44K5VZJyQSxZurQ8s7diKbq",
   "status": "ENABLED",
   "posescore": 100,
   "posescoretries": 0,
   "posescoresuccesscount": 0,
   "lastpaidtime": 1564615177,
   "lastpaidblock": 182751,
   "owneraddress": "ygXsP7NRxDJtKKqRc2i1JXvxKZmXysYf76",
   "votingaddress": "ya5TqeZC7GRbibSzT8jbfHCLEQNTKT6LDL",
   "collateraladdress": "ydbZ7ppEEbq28Awyt2iQXTnM3JSn5fxKHF",
   "pubkeyoperator": "90856729abbe57866ec136e1505b59bf2fb5c399e04581df8264ba0ce49709cccd8c3e74c45ea1815e71572d602110c0"

Thats awesome.  I see .181 in my sanc list now also, with 0 POSE.
Just a guess, but maybe it was your masternodeblsprivkey on the old one, not matching?  In both of my cases it was using externalip=.  I found after I recreated without that, they stay up. 

Yes, good to know you were able to use the Dash method.  The pro for the dash method is you have more control over the operator and voting keys (which, we can expose in the future in our upgradesanc command, for more versatility).  The con is you have to remember to save those private keys in a file by yourself.  (In the case of a person who has a lot of sancs, the deterministic.conf might be convenient.  In my case, the deterministic was more useful for me to write a monitoring program to manage the sancs later - I need to loop through them and control them, etc.)

Great, we have 5 sancs now enabled!  We can start testing chainlocks pretty soon.
MIP, is yours up?

Have I forgotten to answer any questions about .14 other than making a test-list?

Btw, how did you lose your testnet controller wallet, was it a rabid animal, or a mad family member?

I just updated the OP with "low hassle sync from zero". 

I also got windows to sync with this method last night, so it will be trivial to make a prod snapshot soon.

This would only happen in testnet but i lost / destroyed my controller wallet with my VPS and hence the collateral is locked and hence I cannot recreate the sancs using the same IP as you mentioned without spending the collateral which is not possible without the wallet!

I’ll have to destroy the VPS and recreate it with new A fresh IP and start from scratch. This might take awhile... sorry.

Oh ok, yeah you can't spend the collateral then, so you cant free that node the easy way, right.

Well, anyway, the other way to do it is if you have the deterministic.conf file (this has the bls private and public key in it and the original pro-tx-txid), you could send a  ProUpServTx, (because sending a new pro-register-tx with the same IP results in bad-protx-dup-key error), but you could only do this if you had all the pieces saved from deterministic.conf (proTxHash, blsPrivKey) - see this section for future reference :

Well anyway I hope you have a Vultr Snapshot then you can rebuild without all that work.  Good luck.

PS: Can you please try the quick sync from zero when you rebuild so we can test that?

Dear Rob,

I just have three VPS running in TESTNET. I did have one sanc but it is now banned, I have no idea how to get it unbanned. I restarted it to no avail. How does one get banned, other than not running bbp daemon?

Code: [Select]
 "outpoint": "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000-4294967295",
 "service": "",
 "state": "POSE_BANNED",
 "status": "Masternode was PoSe banned"

The VPS is up and running and port appears to be open
Code: [Select]
telnet 40001
Connected to<>.

mnsync status
 "AssetID": 999,
 "AssetStartTime": 1564531134,
 "Attempt": 0,
 "IsBlockchainSynced": true,
 "IsSynced": true,
 "IsFailed": false

If you want to check my machines, you can see the automatically polled hashes of my three machines at any time on:

They are pretty puny VPS  so one or more may be offline syncing or updating…


Hi Oncoa,

Nice hashes, so it looks like we are in agreement on that block hash (for your 3) plus mine.

As far as getting pose banned, you can get banned if:  Your masternodeblsprivkey does not match your deterministic.conf private key, or if you transmitted the same IP on more than one pro-tx, or if you are using the 'externalip=' setting in your wallet, or if your node is out of sync and acting strange in the quorums.  You would have to defer to the dash docs I pasted above for the rest of the reasons (as I am not familiar with the others yet).

If your not sure after reading this, I have found it is very easy to do this to recover:

Spent your collateral Tx in the controller wallet
Create a new public key for a new sanc
Create a new legacy sanc using the new address
Perform the upgradesanc command on it

I did that and Im chugging fine.

You can use the same address as long as you spend the old sanc funds first.  (Unlock them to spend them, spend them, then spend a new amount for the new sanc).

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