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Hello again. Quick questions about sancs:
I had to cancel the vServer where my sanc was running and therefore tried to move it to another one. This took much longer than I thought (mostly because I had to wait almost 2 days for the collateral to become available again after removing the sanc off the masternode.conf).
Now I finally managed to get it up and running and yesterday I sent the orphan payment (via PayPal).
Question 1:
My Sanc is now listed under the DIP3-Sanctuaries Tab as "Enabled, POOS_BANNED". How long does it usually take until the payment gets associated with my sanc? I copied the orphan ID into the payment info.

Question 2:
On the remote wallet the mnsync status says it's synced, but the masternode status says "Waiting for ProTx to appear on-chain". I upgraded it according to the "Create Sanctuary 2" help page. Is this how it's supposed to be, or do I have to do anything else?

Thanks again in advance. :)

Hi Dave,
Its great to see you are hanging in there with us. 

On #1, I recommend emailing Todd at:  Todd Finklestone <[email protected]
Just to tell him what you sent via paypal, and your sanc pub key.  He usually updates the bio within 24 hours.
Once the bio is updated, biblepay will update within 10 minutes.  Then it will immediately go from 700 to 0 (POOS ban level).

On #2,  that sounds normal.  As long as you did paste the blsprivkey in the biblepay.conf on the sanc.  Just check it again now, because I noticed they usually come up about 30 minutes after I start them.   But dont worry because you have til 220,000 before you can be POSE banned anyway.  If its not up by tomorrow please post and we can try to debug commands.

Have a good one.



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** September 2020 XMR Mining Activity **

Raised : 2.258 + .91 (foundation) = 3.168 XMR



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Okay, so 45 sanctuaries are enabled status and rest are poos_banned with score of 700? the ones with poos_banned are rewarded 1 BBP?


After block 220k, will sanctuaries receive regular payment as long as their status is enabled?


Does automatic price mooning (APM) impact how much sanctuaries receive? I recall the block reward goes to 1 BBP? I wasn't sure if sanctuaries also fall to 1 BBP.

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Okay, so 45 sanctuaries are enabled status and rest are poos_banned with score of 700? the ones with poos_banned are rewarded 1 BBP?
-> Yes.  Yes.

After block 220k, will sanctuaries receive regular payment as long as their status is enabled?
-> Yes, as long as the LLMQ quorums actually succeed, and chainlocks succeed, and the non paying sancs get POSE banned, then the reward will increase for all the paying ones.  We have to take it step by step and see if the 80 non paying ones get banned at the 800 level, then drop out.  Theoretically they should drop out once they get fully banned.


Does automatic price mooning (APM) impact how much sanctuaries receive? I recall the block reward goes to 1 BBP? I wasn't sure if sanctuaries also fall to 1 BBP.

->    Yes, it does affect both RX miners and Sancs.  Because the coinbase emission drops to 7 in the money-saving-mode.  Then that is split accordingally.

We are in APM money saving mode right now I see.

It looks like we had One sanctuary drop out (now we have 124).


EDIT:  PS:  I am working on making a list of fractional sanctuary sponsored orphans.  Ill update when I get that working.




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I still don't understand.  I updated the wallet on 8/22, which then forked on 8/25.  This was days BEFORE the mandatory height, on 8/29 or 8/30.  I actually started trying to figure out if it was on a fork before the mandatory height had been reached by starting the wallet on another computer on 8/29.

Because we didn't enforce the sanctuary governance version, and 51% of the sancs upgraded early, you went on a fork before 217K.

The sanctuaries drive a hard consensus for the daily GSC block - making them an additional decision maker in our chain (in addition to POW). 



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BiblePay discussion / Re: RandomX Giveaway for New RandomX Miners
« on: August 31, 2020, 07:03:21 PM »
Blessed morning BiblePay! I am from the Philippines together with our bro ans sis in Christ here in General Santos. Hoping to mine BBP using our low end pc using your awesome cpu miner.  Thanks to our leader sir Rex and thanks in advance BBP sir Rob.

"Code": "BJL1DfHfHTS229NnHXv4xq44bx27Bx5m3N-0-49-146-34-217"

Annie

God bless you too, and welcome aboard!


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BiblePay discussion / Re: RandomX Giveaway for New RandomX Miners
« on: August 31, 2020, 07:02:29 PM »
***** New RandomX Welcome Gift to onboard new RandomX Miners - now 21,000 BBP ! *****


"Code": "BBpPL1D1861AiN3ZRtz8ZduFxQzX3ytQVc-0-49-146-34-217"

GREETINGS!

We are trying to join and make some of our units productive by mining BBP through CPU Mining

Madam M
Panacan Davao del Sur

Hi Maryanne,

Thank you for coming.  Please let us know if you will be mining as I cant find you.

Rob

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BiblePay discussion / Re: RandomX Giveaway for New RandomX Miners
« on: August 31, 2020, 07:01:50 PM »
Dear admin and members of Biblepay,

I hope you all doing fine and safe. This is my code entry from my quad-core laptop ;) - Thanks sir Tots for inviting.

"Code": "B7wR4R8Hf8LPZPcRkKLbkUvjgFdoGg4igM-0-49-145-228-27"

Lemuel here from Mindanao

GOD BLESS

Welcome aboard!  And God bless you too!

Sent.

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Let me look into that.  There might be, as long as Todd hasnt given the child to another sanc already. 



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So first of all your child was sponsored by someone, as it looks like all 44 are now sponsored by sancs.
So I did cancel your child sponsorship as of 8-30 and I refunded the 152,000 back to your balance.

To make this system simpler, I removed the Cameroon-One orphans from the sponsorchild page, and I will just leave the SAI children in there, so we can have a more straightforward system.  We will make Cameroon-one strictly for the sancs.

Sorry about that, I completely forgot we have one cameroon-one orphan sponsored by a real person.

Looking at everything now, it looks like between fractional sancs and regular sancs, everything is correct.

We do need to add the ability to cancel a child.  Ill add a todo list item to Cancel a sponsored monthly child (that is sponsored by the foundation).




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I updated to 1.5.22 on 8/22, and and was receiving PODC rewards through 8/25.  Then they stopped, along with the automatic GSC transmissions, though I sent them manually.  Yesterday, I started the wallet on a second computer, and discovered that the first had been on a fork since some time after the last PODC reward on 8/25, around the same time that davebbp said that he stopped receiving PODC rewards.  The second computer showed everything through the 8/25 PODC reward, but none of the later manual GSC transmissions.  One thing that seemed strange to me is that the first computer, the one on a fork, reported a larger number of sanctuaries, around 170, than the second computer, the one that isn't (I think) on a fork.  It also looked like blocks were regularly being generated on the fork, though the count was lower on the fork, which is how I finally concluded that the first computer was on a fork, and the second one wasn't on a (different) fork, by comparing the block counts with the block explorers.  In the end, I shut down both wallets, copied all the data from the second computer to the first and restarted the wallet on the first computer to fix things.

Why would an up-to-date wallet end up on a fork three days after updating?

1) I agree first of all that a *non-updated wallet* on the old chain before the mandatory cutover height should not have forked til *after* 217K.  That is something we will definitely prevent in the future by enforcing the version of the sancs up to the cutover height.

2)  On your question, Why would an up-to-date wallet end up on a fork 3 days *after* the mandatory height (updating later):
This is defintely possible in the dash world.  Here is how that happens.  If you accept a block on the main chain after the mandatory height on a non-upgraded wallet, these wallets will never erase the dirty block index flags without an -erasechain=1 (or an exec reassesschains command).  So basically at that point, the other wallets will ddos you (because you are then sending them invalid block headers).  So thats why we always need to erasechain if we upgrade late.

On the missing funds feel free to paste your CPK and estimated amount lost and I will give you a tip.



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Also, if we want to continue sponsoring the same children but through a sanctuary... is there a migration process?

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Let me look into that.  There might be, as long as Todd hasnt given the child to another sanc already. 



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If we have a fractional sanc, when is a sponsorship due and when is payment taken out? If the funds are in the frac sanc, are the just the funds needed withdrawn or the entire frac sanc total is withdrawn?

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On the fractional sancs, we only pay a net reward, so the child dues is taken out at the same time of the reward.

Since ROI is negative right now, you should see your fractional sanc balance decrease daily (until we finally get these pesky 75 sancs who have not sponsored children POSE banned).

The (child deduction amount) is also shown on the "Fractional Sancs" overview page - please see Revenue and Expense there.  We also show the child deduction amount in brackets later in the details of the reward.



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** Shalom **

We are now in the Jewish month of Elul, (the period of Teshuva), which precedes the fall feasts of the Bible. It is a time of reflection and repentance as we come closer to the Day of Atonement. The Hebrew for "repentance" is a phrase which means "returning to the answers." Repenting is returning, doing a 180 degree turn and heading home to the Father. But first, like the prodigal son, we need to become aware of our sin and confess it. It's a great opportunity to earnestly repent for the sin we see in our own lives, in our households, in our communities and in our nations.

-- Erez Soref

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I see that POOS banned get a 1 BBP reward, but they still keep a slot in the block payments. Also valid sanc rewards are the same as before 217000 (were they not supposed to absorb the charity budget for themselves?).

So in the aftermath even if a sanc is sponsoring 1 child, it is getting exactly the same rewards as before, and all the emission of the POOS-banned sancs is becoming "lost".

Is this a correct assessment, or is it just a temporary situation until a whole reward cycle is finished?
Thanks for the great job!

Its partially correct but there are many more variables to consider.

As far as the payment amount, that changes according to an ordinal in LLMQ - in order to keep the amount deterministic for the round.  So after 217K, it just had to run to the next ordinal.  Looking now, the sanctuary payment amount did jump from 3500 to 4679 with the same sanc count of 125.

As far as 1 bbp payments for POOS banned sancs, that only applies to  sancs who are in 700 but not in POSE banned state yet.

One issue we have between now and 220,000 is we are trying to restart our quorums again.  And this means LLMQ and hence POSE banning doesnt go into effect til after 220K and after quorums restart.

So we also have to wait for that to occur to actually see POSE banned sancs.  The code does attempt to vote bad sancs out of quorums that are not conforming to the rules this time (in contrast to the last time we had LLMQs).  So lets reassess the "slot" situation after LLMQs and POSE banning are on again.



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** UI LAG **

Also, after POOS was released you might have noticed a very slow Sanctuaries page in 1.5.2.2-1.5.2.3. 
I sent out a 1.5.2.4 version that fixes this (as a leisure).  Feel free to upgrade once this bothers you.

MacOSX is being compiled now.

(Btw, the lag does affect 'masternodelist' from the RPC also and is fixed in 1.5.2.4).



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** Welcome to POOS (Proof of Orphan Sponsorships by Sanctuaries) **

We are only 20 blocks away from full fledged POOS!  This is where our sanctuaries sponsor a full orphan, each!

Thank you Sancs!

Now that the feature is enabled, I see a lot of sanctuaries getting POOS banned!

Taking a look at the gravity of the situation, I see that 44 sanctuaries have paid for Orphans!  This is a great start, but, we have some work to do.
Out of our total 125 sanctuaries that are ENABLED, we only have 44 that paid.

This means that 81 sanctuaries are starting to be POOS banned.

Please check your sanc and spend the collateral if you don't want an orphan -- or -- alternatively sponsor an orphan.  Starting in 20 blocks, you will no longer be PAID.

Also more exciting news:  APM (automatic price mooning) starts at height 217,200!

This means our exchange price will be tied to our successful emissions in only 24 hours!


POOS from the Fractional Sanctuary Perspective:

Foundation.biblepay.org is fully committed to sponsoring orphans, and the upgrade has been released.
To roll out fractional orphan sponsorships, we liquidated all of the old sanctuaries and put the funds back in your accounts (so the funds are safe).
But currently, no one is sponsoring orphans.  If you look at the ROI, it is negative -- and that is a temporary condition, because it takes 7 days for the foundation to calibrate its known revenue and expenses.

I went ahead and sponsored one for 100K to get us jumpstarted.  Once you see the ROI start rising (above zero preferably!) then you can sponsor a fractional sanctuary and the orphan dues will be deducted automatically.  Ill work on making a list page of what cameroon orphans are sponsored by the foundation once we get a couple sponsored.



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