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Active Discussions / Re: February 2021 Testnet Thread (Tribulation)
« on: January 17, 2021, 07:20:10 AM »
Version ready for MacOS

And we have good news!! I could connect my Thunderbird to Core client email account!

I don't see any mails in my inbox, so if you sent me anything in the past, it is not here.
I sent an email to Rob now and it generated a transaction and it seems it succeeded.
So this is pretty exciting!

I also received 2000 tBBP last 13th Jan into my CPK.

I will leave my client open in case you want to send me anything. I will also have the general chat window opened.

Thats awesome MIP, but I actually still have to check in the fix for SMTP that breaks windows, etc.  Thats why I stopped sending emails etc.

I will check it in in the next hour.

I have a meeting though in an hour so I cant test chat right now but Ill post asap.


Active Discussions / Re: February 2021 Testnet Thread (Tribulation)
« on: January 16, 2021, 05:28:54 PM »
I got the SMTP e-mail feature working in Windows.
Basically, it was a pesky problem with \r\ns (carriage returns) becoming 1 1/2 carriage returns (\r\r\ns). Meaning that the feature didnt work at all on windows.

So this will be fixed on the next release, but first, let me look through the punchlist and see if we have any other issues to check in.

Active Discussions / Re: February 2021 Testnet Thread (Tribulation)
« on: January 16, 2021, 11:37:50 AM »
Sounds sweet Rob!

Earlier today i managed to make a UTXO stake that was below 10k tBBP  so i see myself in leaderboard there now.
i did the 'exec bankroll 30 1000000'  and i see it worked.  I learn something new everyday!

I see you in there, awesome!
Yeah, btw, if you double click on the user in the leaderboard, you will eventually be able to see a more detailed breakdown of your positions.  Right now it does show you summaries of each ticker and qty.  So its relatively useful if you have a breakdown of for example all 3 tickers.  The goal so far, is to show the total value in USD for each category.

I see a testnet user in there called Scropius also, but doing WCG, interesting.

So I think I might see (well, lets hope this is the only) problem with e-mail issue (with the funny character lines).  It appears to be a windows only issue.  The sancs and my foundation machine are all on ubuntu 18.  Yours was the first testing machine on windows.

I booted up a windows client + windows thunderbird, and voila, it did send a mangled email.  The other 'clue' is your reported byte size was 32K higher for that email_ that you referenced vs. the size on my linux disk.  So it points to most likely an encoding issue on windows (not a socket issue) where we are probably writing /r/n's instead of /ns or something. 

At least it sounds like a relatively easy fix!  Ill look at that soon.

Active Discussions / Re: February 2021 Testnet Thread (Tribulation)
« on: January 16, 2021, 09:14:15 AM »
This is my testnet biblepay adress: ybhEthPTyeJTbraoyCb7eXbuGotZbgckiS

 I just sent you 30MM.  Could you please do an 'exec bankroll 30 1000000' for example and that will give you 30 spendable UTXOs.
You can see them by going into Coin Control (if you dont have that enabled you can enable that checkbox from Settings).  Then you can get to coin control by going to Spend Money | Coin Control.  There you will see the 30 UTXOs once they are created.  You will see once you start sending successful UTXO stakes that they get locked automatically (just like sanctuaries).

Also, we need to verify we get the coinbase reward (and not the miner) once we send a successful utxo stake (I did that a few times locally but Id like testers to see it too).  You can probably do that by shutting off your miner after you send a successful utxo that is accepted, then you know you will not be the "miner" and then when you get the reward you will know.

Ill look into that email post soon.

BiblePay discussion / Re: RandomX Giveaway for New RandomX Miners
« on: January 16, 2021, 09:07:15 AM »
Hi, I am from Czech Republic :-)

Hi!  What is your 'faucetcode'?

Active Discussions / Re: February 2021 Testnet Thread (Tribulation)
« on: January 15, 2021, 07:03:05 PM »
I got ur mail Rob.
Also i see in inbox several mails from thursday that appeared.

I thing that i noted is that the picture that you sent its just letters and numbers.

for copying abit of the message:

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Looks like that.

Also about when im trying to UTXO stake for testing it wont let me stake my tBBP even tho they have matured, says i have 3m to spend but i still get the "unable to UTXO stake"

One potential problem with UTXO staking is any time the wallet spends any money, even for an e-mail fee, your coins start re-aging.

So I think you really need 20MM or so for testnet to test this easier.  What is your receive address?  Then you can do an exec bankroll and make some.

In the mean time, I will also figure a way to make a feature to force a UTXO stake that is "valid" for the leaderboard, but not applicable for a mining reward.  This will allow us to test even more in testnet (or in prod).  Basically that kind of stake gives you perpetual rewards, but is not going to give someone a mining reward.

Ill have to look at the e-mail issue; let me try sending myself one from outlook to thunderbird.  Yesterday I did not have that problem, it could be a regional thing, but Ill check.

See the attached screenshot of my thunderbird - I can send skies.jpg as an attachment from Outlook to Thunderbird, or from Outlook to Outlook without seeing the characters.
One other problem I noticed is your thunderbird replies include all the headers while mine seem to be inducted correctly.

Sigh, its probably some regional issues.  Can you tell me what your keyboard layout is and your native system language, and if your emails are HTML or Plain text and if you know if you use unicode or not?  I believe Im using English EN (US) Keyboard, HTML emails, and non-unicode ASCII.  It will be interesting to see how MIPs emails look with attachments and if he can see the one I sent you guys. 

EDIT 2:  Whats your thunderbird version also (Options | General)?  Mine is 78.6.1.  That could give me something to try.
EDIT 3:  And finally here is one more valuable question, if you go to ~/.biblepay/SAN, please do an "ls -l email_f6db*".  Mine is 2,467,803 bytes.  Can you see if yours matches my size just to ensure the truncation did not occur?

EDIT 4:  One thing you can actually try too, is sending one with a picture attached to yourself.  See if it mangles it with letters?

Active Discussions / Re: February 2021 Testnet Thread (Tribulation)
« on: January 15, 2021, 03:42:52 PM »
Updated and synced. You can try send me a e-mail at:      [email protected]


BiblePay discussion / Re: RandomX Giveaway for New RandomX Miners
« on: January 15, 2021, 09:38:24 AM »
  Country: USA (sorry, can't find edit buttons)
Tip sent.

Active Discussions / Re: February 2021 Testnet Thread (Tribulation)
« on: January 15, 2021, 09:33:35 AM »
As far as testing 'gettxoutsetinfo', this is the command that supplies block explorers with our circulating money supply.

The best way to test this would be to run biblepay-qt against prod and let it sync to the top.
Then look at the new fields:

total_burned is how much was burned in all DWS stakes.  Note that UTXO mining does not burn coins, so it is expected that this number would stop growing.
The accurate way to represent our "real money supply" would be total_circulating_money_supply + future_whale_stake_liabilities.  (These are the whale stakes that have been burned and not paid).  We cant really ascertain the 'true' money supply in BiblePay-prod right now, because it has no way of showing the future liabilities.  But in testnet we can see clearly that we have 2.476B circulating, 415MM burned, and 159MM in future liabilities, meaning the very last line "total_supply_plus_liabilities" is going to be 2.63B.  Thats theoretically what the BXs should really show, although now we have this guide it is much easier for us to govern our future emission.  Imho, its good to scale it back with APM until its completely square.

Here is the emission schedule target doc:

So basically, we are still 200MM over schedule for this point in time (If you synthesize it, we should be at 2.434B right now.  So we need to pull the horns in for about 200 more days and theoretically be square.  It would be nice to see 2.847B at the end of this year.  Of course its a challenge to scale back while growing at the same time.  Obviously I prefer a few new users per day over conservation.

I will also be holding a vote to increase our deflation rate by 5% temporarily to fix this problem without APM being required (another words, to fix it regardless of our state of APM).
That code is already in this testnet version but we will need a sanc vote concerning all changes at once when this is close to release.

Hi Rob,

I checked the thread about upcoming changes, and sadly saw abandoning PODC is opened for debate once again. I wonder if I am the only one that really prefers doing cancer research for coins instead of hashing whatever algorithm. To the extent, in fact, I have not even caculated what I would have earned by doing RandomX with my machines, instead of BOINC. I thought we considered (and advertised as such) PODC to be one of BBP's highlights, has this changed now?

1200 BBP

Hi Talisman,

Nothing is set in stone yet, but I urge you to join us in testnet in the discussion here:

As that is the primary driver and contains the explanation for the motivation to make a change that appeals to more users.   

4800 BBP

BiblePay discussion / Re: RandomX Giveaway for New RandomX Miners
« on: January 15, 2021, 08:33:46 AM »

Thank you!

Welcome aboard! Sent!

Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions, we are trying to make BiblePay into a useful place for Christians!

Active Discussions / Re: February 2021 Testnet Thread (Tribulation)
« on: January 15, 2021, 08:29:15 AM »
Earlz, let me know when you are upgraded and we can try new e-mails.

I will send you one now that is 2megs.

I will send it to you, and MIP as addl recipient.

Active Discussions / Re: February 2021 Testnet Thread (Tribulation)
« on: January 14, 2021, 03:26:15 PM » - Mandatory Upgrade for TestNet

- Rename Foundation to DAC in Send Coins
- Add multiple recipient support to SMTP (and fix SMTP bug)

MIP, can you please build MAC again?

Active Discussions / Re: February 2021 Testnet Thread (Tribulation)
« on: January 14, 2021, 01:06:07 PM »
So I've been testing the e-mail in unit test mode and not only did I discover an additional bug, but I found we dont even support multiple recipients yet -- duh.

So let me fix these issues, add multiple recipients, and re-release.

Im not ready to tackle "CC"s and BCC's yet because that is yet another layer to conquer, but Ill get this thing supporting multiple recipients next and notify of a release!

Thanks for all the great quality testing guys!

PS Please dont bother sending me any email yet because they have to be slightly changed (IE the serializer needs changed).

PS II:  I also need to modify the "Donate to Foundation" to "Donate to DAC", since we are theoretically decentralizing the foundation now into a DAC.

Active Discussions / Re: February 2021 Testnet Thread (Tribulation)
« on: January 14, 2021, 01:02:23 PM »
Anyhow as i said i tested it but it didnt work i got this message saying  "cant find any biblepay in 24h"  i send with screenshot.   

Good comments.  First I want to clarify however, that I dont want to simply push proof-of-stake now over proof-of-work.
As a lot of truth I think exists in the argument that since it costs a lot of energy to mint a coin with POW, therefore each currency unit holds more value.
What Im really wanting to do, is make BBP into a portfolio manager, that rewards you for holding 'long crypto positions' that are mixed with BBP.  So our value would appeal to a lot more people than just our intrinsic community size (theoretically).  MIP and I were talking about an interest rate marketplace for a little while (similar to DEFI products) but later I started to think that we could 'mine' the interest by giving the block reward to the utxo stake list (this makes it more sustainable, in that we dont inflate our money supply with this idea).

Anyway, one of the rules to prevent gaming the system is the BBP stake has to be more than 24 hours old.  This is because you actually get the mining reward for the block if you stake a BBP stake.  Do you need more BBP so you can have more that ages?  I can send you some if you give me the address.

We have an old command in there called 'exec bankroll'.  That lets you make up some denoms in your wallet.  For example, exec bankroll 50 500000 makes fifty 500K bills.  Then we can test more stake qty without losing our wallet.dat tx's.

PS:  Just to clarify what supposedly happens when you click UTXO Stake:  If you have a tx older than 24 hours that is between 10K and 10MM, and you click Send, we lock that UTXO (you don't lose it), we send a UTXO transaction back to you, and you actually win the next block reward also.  If there are more than one in a block, the lowest block UTXO staker by hash gets the reward.  So its partially replacing mining, but we still have RX for non-stake blocks.  If you use the command line and stake a Dash-BBP, you can also win the block reward.

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