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Production Proposals / Re: Social Media, PR, IT, Testing - September (16th - 30th)

« Last post by togoshigekata on October 13, 2018, 07:07:47 pm »

The IT work I do is so minimal I just lump it in with the PR work I do

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1. Social is the combination of Twitter, Reddit, Discord, Telegram and Bitcointalk.

Three to Four times a day I read through Twitter tweets to see ones we can click like on, see ones we can retweet, see ones we can comment on, and see which tweets I can use to spread news to our community.

And multiple times a day I read every Bitcointalk message

I also poke into multiple other competitiors discords/telegrams/reddits and read all of their latest posts peridoically

Any news I see, I spread to all platforms, and each platform has different formatting
like with Twitter I edit images and add emojis and hashtags

Your paying me to spread BiblePay news to the world,
and the world crypto news to BiblePay for basically $10 a day

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2. I charge for testing, Ive charged multiple times in the past and Ive promoted publically that I would vote yes on anyone to be paid for testing, I believe everyone should be paid for their work.

Rob, just a few weeks ago in testnet you were asking:
Where is everyone? Why is no one helping in testnet?

The people doing work should be rewarded, that is good business.

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Last month I donated the 2nd two weeks of my work,
I plan to continue doing the same until our value goes up 3-4x

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Rob If you think you can do what Im doing for Social in 1 hour every 2 weeks,
that sounds like immense value and savings, when can you start?

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Production Proposals / Faucet Refill - pool.biblepay.org

« Last post by Rob A. on October 13, 2018, 03:53:31 pm »

Pool.biblepay.org has spent 326,100 on the faucet giveaways over the last 60 days.

75% of this activity was based on Jaap's airdrop coordination program (giving away 2000 then 1000 to new users) through the airdrop.

I am requesting 500,000 for a refill - primarily due to the expected influx of new boinc users coming in from non BiblePay teams starting October 16th 2018.

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Production Proposals / Re: Social Media, PR, IT, Testing - September (16th - 30th)

« Last post by Rob A. on October 13, 2018, 03:48:16 pm »

The amounts here seem relatively reasonable, but I do have a couple questions that might need a little clarification:

1)  On the "Social" hours, what activity are we charging biblepay for?  Is this for chatting with other users, or for attempting to spread PR? 
I was under the impression the PR budget would be primarily for creating drafts of PR information (like for example, helping Jaap with all the stuff he said he needs that he can't do this month).  But not necessarily for chatting to other users.  Unless this should be classified as production support, please clarify.

2) I was not under the impression we were charging for testing.  (I can't really see myself billing for the testnet time itself).  I can see the GIN however, as its something I asked for out of the blue to help the user experience program - one click masternode endeavor (the one you and I emailed back and forth about with Andy).  Should we be charging for testnet hours when people like Jaap, 616 and myself contribute to testnet for free?

I know that you worked on a website change this month with Jaap.  Imo, the hours for web development should be billable, and going forward we should remove "Social" unless you have drafts of half of the new hours of social media post blogs and pages included (I remember seeing a few tweets this month, maybe 1 hours worth).

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Production Proposals / Re: Ban Slovakia from Talking for 6 months

« Last post by togoshigekata on October 13, 2018, 03:43:53 pm »

I didnt want to get in the middle of this drama, I was hoping things would work out naturally, thesnat kind of forced my hand into talking by risking exposing my previous conversations with him, but I also felt maybe its finally time for you to hear what I have seen Rob given the continued drama between parties.

Do we need a clear set of forum rules posted somewhere?

RULES:
1. Do not make assumptions or false statements
2. Talk in a nice tone and manner, be polite and appreciative
3. Be willing to do work/research/experience, or Find someone who can, People are busy

Some sort of 3 strike your out system would be interesting,

I made this thread because Slovakia upset me enough to where I lost motivation to do any work for the day, and it wasnt the first time it had happened, and I knew he was probably effecting other team members, Ive since clicked ignore on his profile, but to be good PR person I have to know everything everyone is saying so I click unignore every time he posts, sigh

I worry about the emotional wellbeing of the people doing work. I dont think most people realize how much sacrifice is going on already and how close to the edge of sanity people are already at.

Im not sure how to vote on this proposal, I wish I didnt have to make it to begin with

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Production Proposals / Helping Widows in their Distress

« Last post by Rob A. on October 13, 2018, 01:28:20 pm »

In the spirit of James 1:27, I would like to introduce BiblePay to "Hope For Widows", asking BiblePay to be kind enough to consider that we also help Widows. 

I feel that helping widows will not only help display our compassion globally, but it will also help convince God that we are listening to his commands: to be cheerful givers, and follow his commandments.  We also will be involved in something that is for women primarily (although I am not deliberately singling out females), but we will be introducing some non Christians who have never helped a widow to watch our example, and have less risk of hearing "Depart from me you workers of iniquity... I never knew you".

First I did check the top 3 (via google) Widow organizations, and I do not claim by any means that Hope for Widows is absolutely #1.  I felt after reading their FAQ about what they do for women (they comfort them in a time of grief, they talk to each other as a community and help work out each others problems, they donate money to widows who are going through financial issues), and HFW has more than 10,000 enrolled widows, but I got the feeling when I researched HFW that the money was spent efficiently (more appears to be done with each dollar, in contrast to some of the others who hold meetings in central places and require everyone to fly there etc).

Take a look at the FAQ page first before deciding, see what the widows say about HFW:
https://hopeforwidows.org/resources/widows-weve-helped/

To spearhead this initiative I feel we should start small (especially with our small budget), so let's just start at $300.00 for the month of October 2018 and also, if some would like to call HFW and do more research feel free to vet the organization, and make more recommendations on if we should increase/decrease next month based on what we accomplish.

(BTW: We will be receiving a credit this month for Compassion, so the funds for this are definitely available this month.)



Edit: 
I went ahead and donated since I was already on the web site, hopefully this will be voted in .

http://pool.biblepay.org/san/Expenses/hfw_oct2018.pdf

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Production Proposals / Re: Ban Slovakia from Talking for 6 months

« Last post by thesnat21 on October 13, 2018, 08:06:03 am »

"I don't know of any routinely active person that has not felt alienated by you at one point or another.. "
-> Well how about who I work with every day: Togo, Jaap, LukeF?  Are they alienated by me or have ever been?
Or the other 99% I deal with pool questions, email and forum replies.  The 1% is as always has been the 1% who argue in the past - the people who have posted in the hate group thread and who have been argumentative, its a handful of people who repeatedly do this, its the Opposite of what you say above.

Fair point,  I have asked some of the more public ones if I could share on their behalf,   I appreciate Togo stepping up on his own as for the others we will wait and see

I do agree you have more interactions than the BCT forums, and my view has been somewhat jaded (it's on me to correct this.)

I have asked the others to call me out if i'm being out of line as well. (Thanks Togo!)  As I know how important it is to have other voices speaking to you (not just the ones in my head haha)

"Please, before you continue judging others character take a step back.   You cannot judge if I have forgiven you or not,  and if you have the same condescending tone and publicly ridicule someone repeatedly you are showing an unrepentant heart.
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-> Sorry, but I'm not judging.  I am in every case defending my position of being attacked.  And I do forgive, 100%, as I forgave you - and am willing to forget the past and start over, but I keep getting reminded when someone like you claims we are good again and then you make some public post that No I really didnt forgive you Rob, Im an Indian Giver, it was a lie. 


"A statement or a question is not by itself an attack.   If you perceive it as one and respond accordingly it's not the other person's fault."
-> Right, I think my reply history shows Im smart enough to realize that.  In every case, problems started occurring when someone attacks the coin or me personally in a degrading way.  A person who judges should be smart enough to do the due diligence and make a polite post about the problem.  I have no problem with criticism if its done in a cautious way, and Im all for improving every part of biblepay.

This is something we can work on together.    I'll work on HOW I say things,  and waiting to respond if something upsets me so i can have a cooler head (I cannot speak for others but I will encourage them to do the same..)   

But in turn, I would ask that you try to understand where we're coming from as well,  most of us were not trying to attack, and want to see this project succeed.

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Production Proposals / Re: Ban Slovakia from Talking for 6 months

« Last post by jaapgvk on October 13, 2018, 05:52:15 am »

I personally never felt alienated by anyone in the BiblePay community, but I have spent a lot of energy talking to people who did feel alienated. I have stopped doing that, because it just took too large a toll on me. It's in my personality to try and keep people together and to keep communications as open as possible, but I don't think it's healthy for my well-being long-term to continue to try and be the middle-man in discussions. So if a discussion doesn't involve myself personally, I have decided to stay out of it for the time being.

I have felt bad in the past when I read reactions by a number of people, because I felt that emotions became the reason for certain responses (something which I will never deny doing myself also). And while I think there should be a place for people to release their emotions, I don't think that a public forum is the right place for that if we want investors to have faith in the future of BiblePay. And yes, the impact of slovakia's FUD on price should not be underestimated. And while we can counter the FUD with rationality, that will not entirely remove the impact of FUD, and I think it's good to have a discussion about banning certain bad actors if they cross a certain threshold.

So, while I think that FUD is destructive, and I also have my personal struggles with slovakia, I would probably not vote 'yes' on banning him at this point. Leaving FUD out of it for the moment, I think that moderation is something that is sometimes necessary simply because the world is not utopian in the sense of people always having such good emphatic abilities to relate to the responses of others. But I'd rather that we try to approach 'people like slovakia' with as much love as we are able to muster at a certain time.

We don't know each others past, we don't know each others internal world, and we don't know how much is miscommunication because of upbringing/culture/language/etc.

I realize that my position on this is a bit vague, but that's because there are so many points of view on this. Still, I think that it's good to be able to have a discussion about things like this.

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Production Proposals / Re: Ban Slovakia from Talking for 6 months

« Last post by togoshigekata on October 12, 2018, 07:45:16 pm »

I think this drama should just be resolved, its distracting and energy wasting and makes BiblePay look bad, I'm disappointed in all parties involved.

Rob, I think theres room for improvement on your handling of criticism,
Thesnat and Sun, you guys have been rude, and hold Rob to unrealistic expectations

An instance where you didnt handle criticism well Rob, long ago in testnet, 616west pointed out that your understanding of the RAC forumla was wrong, you got upset, and then it turned out he was right,

I can go through the history and point out more things like this.

Here is an example of the aftermath of you getting upset at another person:
https://hardforum.com/threads/how-to-set-up-biblepay-and-also-get-free-coin-for-dcing.1960766/

In general its bad PR and bad Business to get upset with the customers, LOL
I think we have to "kill em with kindness", or just ignore them, thats where Ive gotten to with Slovakia

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Rob, after you got upset with me about the proposal system, I did start communicating with you less

You are a human too and have emotions and breaking points.
and You are extremely underappreciated and extremely overly criticized.

Youve sacrificed so much for this project, and built something unique and amazing.

Its tough dealing with the public. Ive almost snapped at someone in BiblePay myself.

Anyways, There is a slight pattern of you driving a few people away Rob LOL
Whether they would have left naturally anyways, I dont know

Throughout the history of the project Ive had a few people come talk to me after getting upset with you,
and I just have to explain that your a mad genius under stress LOL,

My goal is to spread BiblePay to everyone, to get and keep as many people as I can into the project, to multiply our growth and message

Naturally there is going to be drama and disagreements,
I think the drama will only increase with time and with more people involved

I dont think you need more criticism Rob, I think you need more love, I really wish people would see that

I worry about you every day Rob <3

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A monthly or biweekly BiblePay voice chat / conference call  would be cool, I think it could help the community feel more connected to each other, and realize there are humans on each end.

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Production Proposals / Re: Ban Slovakia from Talking for 6 months

« Last post by Rob A. on October 12, 2018, 03:35:46 pm »

I don't know of any routinely active person that has not felt alienated by you at one point or another..

Please, before you continue judging others character take a step back.   You cannot judge if I have forgiven you or not,  and if you have the same condescending tone and publicly ridicule someone repeatedly you are showing an unrepentant heart.

A statement or a question is not by itself an attack.   If you perceive it as one and respond accordingly it's not the other person's fault.

"I don't know of any routinely active person that has not felt alienated by you at one point or another.. "
-> Well how about who I work with every day: Togo, Jaap, LukeF?  Are they alienated by me or have ever been?
Or the other 99% I deal with pool questions, email and forum replies.  The 1% is as always has been the 1% who argue in the past - the people who have posted in the hate group thread and who have been argumentative, its a handful of people who repeatedly do this, its the Opposite of what you say above.



"Please, before you continue judging others character take a step back.   You cannot judge if I have forgiven you or not,  and if you have the same condescending tone and publicly ridicule someone repeatedly you are showing an unrepentant heart.
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-> Sorry, but I'm not judging.  I am in every case defending my position of being attacked.  And I do forgive, 100%, as I forgave you - and am willing to forget the past and start over, but I keep getting reminded when someone like you claims we are good again and then you make some public post that No I really didnt forgive you Rob, Im an Indian Giver, it was a lie. 

"A statement or a question is not by itself an attack.   If you perceive it as one and respond accordingly it's not the other person's fault."
-> Right, I think my reply history shows Im smart enough to realize that.  In every case, problems started occurring when someone attacks the coin or me personally in a degrading way.  A person who judges should be smart enough to do the due diligence and make a polite post about the problem.  I have no problem with criticism if its done in a cautious way, and Im all for improving every part of biblepay.

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Production Proposals / Re: Recurring Payment for Kairos Children's Fund scholars for November

« Last post by jaapgvk on October 12, 2018, 03:18:47 pm »

I will vote 'yes' on this Just a question: 750 000 BBP is probably too much for just the sponsoring of the children. Instead of spending it on other stuff, maybe you could put in some 'reserve jar' for the children, just so they have a buffer if needed for school costs?