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  • sunk818
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On the fractional sancs, we only pay a net reward, so the child dues is taken out at the same time of the reward.

Since ROI is negative right now, you should see your fractional sanc balance decrease daily (until we finally get these pesky 75 sancs who have not sponsored children POSE banned).

The (child deduction amount) is also shown on the "Fractional Sancs" overview page - please see Revenue and Expense there.  We also show the child deduction amount in brackets later in the details of the reward.



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Thanks for removing my funds from the frac sanc. I was worried the negative return was going to take funds away from stash. I'll try my hand at setting up a sanctuary and see how it goes. I can put the top limit of 4.15M BBP back to the frac sanc.

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Okay, so 45 sanctuaries are enabled status and rest are poos_banned with score of 700? the ones with poos_banned are rewarded 1 BBP?


After block 220k, will sanctuaries receive regular payment as long as their status is enabled?


Does automatic price mooning (APM) impact how much sanctuaries receive? I recall the block reward goes to 1 BBP? I wasn't sure if sanctuaries also fall to 1 BBP.

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Official Block Explorer Upgrade

https://explorer.biblepay.org/ has been upgraded to HTTPS (will redirect if HTTP url is used)
Nice Job on the Explorer, MIP! It looks really good and HTTPS is much better all around!

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Re: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)
« Reply #438 on: September 01, 2020, 12:20:21 AM »
1) I agree first of all that a *non-updated wallet* on the old chain before the mandatory cutover height should not have forked til *after* 217K.  That is something we will definitely prevent in the future by enforcing the version of the sancs up to the cutover height.

2)  On your question, Why would an up-to-date wallet end up on a fork 3 days *after* the mandatory height (updating later):
This is defintely possible in the dash world.  Here is how that happens.  If you accept a block on the main chain after the mandatory height on a non-upgraded wallet, these wallets will never erase the dirty block index flags without an -erasechain=1 (or an exec reassesschains command).  So basically at that point, the other wallets will ddos you (because you are then sending them invalid block headers).  So thats why we always need to erasechain if we upgrade late.

On the missing funds feel free to paste your CPK and estimated amount lost and I will give you a tip.



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I still don't understand.  I updated the wallet on 8/22, which then forked on 8/25.  This was days BEFORE the mandatory height, on 8/29 or 8/30.  I actually started trying to figure out if it was on a fork before the mandatory height had been reached by starting the wallet on another computer on 8/29.


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Re: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)
« Reply #439 on: September 01, 2020, 10:48:34 AM »
I still don't understand.  I updated the wallet on 8/22, which then forked on 8/25.  This was days BEFORE the mandatory height, on 8/29 or 8/30.  I actually started trying to figure out if it was on a fork before the mandatory height had been reached by starting the wallet on another computer on 8/29.

Because we didn't enforce the sanctuary governance version, and 51% of the sancs upgraded early, you went on a fork before 217K.

The sanctuaries drive a hard consensus for the daily GSC block - making them an additional decision maker in our chain (in addition to POW). 



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Re: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)
« Reply #440 on: September 01, 2020, 10:52:25 AM »
Okay, so 45 sanctuaries are enabled status and rest are poos_banned with score of 700? the ones with poos_banned are rewarded 1 BBP?


After block 220k, will sanctuaries receive regular payment as long as their status is enabled?


Does automatic price mooning (APM) impact how much sanctuaries receive? I recall the block reward goes to 1 BBP? I wasn't sure if sanctuaries also fall to 1 BBP.

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Okay, so 45 sanctuaries are enabled status and rest are poos_banned with score of 700? the ones with poos_banned are rewarded 1 BBP?
-> Yes.  Yes.

After block 220k, will sanctuaries receive regular payment as long as their status is enabled?
-> Yes, as long as the LLMQ quorums actually succeed, and chainlocks succeed, and the non paying sancs get POSE banned, then the reward will increase for all the paying ones.  We have to take it step by step and see if the 80 non paying ones get banned at the 800 level, then drop out.  Theoretically they should drop out once they get fully banned.


Does automatic price mooning (APM) impact how much sanctuaries receive? I recall the block reward goes to 1 BBP? I wasn't sure if sanctuaries also fall to 1 BBP.

->    Yes, it does affect both RX miners and Sancs.  Because the coinbase emission drops to 7 in the money-saving-mode.  Then that is split accordingally.

We are in APM money saving mode right now I see.

It looks like we had One sanctuary drop out (now we have 124).


EDIT:  PS:  I am working on making a list of fractional sanctuary sponsored orphans.  Ill update when I get that working.




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Re: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)
« Reply #441 on: September 01, 2020, 11:14:00 AM »
** September 2020 XMR Mining Activity **

Raised : 2.258 + .91 (foundation) = 3.168 XMR



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Re: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)
« Reply #442 on: September 01, 2020, 11:19:01 AM »
Hello again. Quick questions about sancs:
I had to cancel the vServer where my sanc was running and therefore tried to move it to another one. This took much longer than I thought (mostly because I had to wait almost 2 days for the collateral to become available again after removing the sanc off the masternode.conf).
Now I finally managed to get it up and running and yesterday I sent the orphan payment (via PayPal).
Question 1:
My Sanc is now listed under the DIP3-Sanctuaries Tab as "Enabled, POOS_BANNED". How long does it usually take until the payment gets associated with my sanc? I copied the orphan ID into the payment info.

Question 2:
On the remote wallet the mnsync status says it's synced, but the masternode status says "Waiting for ProTx to appear on-chain". I upgraded it according to the "Create Sanctuary 2" help page. Is this how it's supposed to be, or do I have to do anything else?

Thanks again in advance. :)


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Re: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)
« Reply #443 on: September 01, 2020, 01:23:34 PM »
Does automatic price mooning (APM) impact how much sanctuaries receive? I recall the block reward goes to 1 BBP? I wasn't sure if sanctuaries also fall to 1 BBP.

->    Yes, it does affect both RX miners and Sancs.  Because the coinbase emission drops to 7 in the money-saving-mode.  Then that is split accordingally.

We are in APM money saving mode right now I see.


Okay, so by owning a sanctuary, there seems to be a risk that the return on BBP may not be enough to offset the sponsorship cost. There's nothing with this arrangement, just wanted to be clear on the consequences of APM. 

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Re: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)
« Reply #444 on: September 01, 2020, 03:31:56 PM »
** September 2020 XMR Mining Activity **

Raised : 2.258 + .91 (foundation) = 3.168 XMR



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Re: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)
« Reply #445 on: September 01, 2020, 05:35:05 PM »
Hello again. Quick questions about sancs:
I had to cancel the vServer where my sanc was running and therefore tried to move it to another one. This took much longer than I thought (mostly because I had to wait almost 2 days for the collateral to become available again after removing the sanc off the masternode.conf).
Now I finally managed to get it up and running and yesterday I sent the orphan payment (via PayPal).
Question 1:
My Sanc is now listed under the DIP3-Sanctuaries Tab as "Enabled, POOS_BANNED". How long does it usually take until the payment gets associated with my sanc? I copied the orphan ID into the payment info.

Question 2:
On the remote wallet the mnsync status says it's synced, but the masternode status says "Waiting for ProTx to appear on-chain". I upgraded it according to the "Create Sanctuary 2" help page. Is this how it's supposed to be, or do I have to do anything else?

Thanks again in advance. :)

Hi Dave,
Its great to see you are hanging in there with us. 

On #1, I recommend emailing Todd at:  Todd Finklestone <[email protected]
Just to tell him what you sent via paypal, and your sanc pub key.  He usually updates the bio within 24 hours.
Once the bio is updated, biblepay will update within 10 minutes.  Then it will immediately go from 700 to 0 (POOS ban level).

On #2,  that sounds normal.  As long as you did paste the blsprivkey in the biblepay.conf on the sanc.  Just check it again now, because I noticed they usually come up about 30 minutes after I start them.   But dont worry because you have til 220,000 before you can be POSE banned anyway.  If its not up by tomorrow please post and we can try to debug commands.

Have a good one.



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Re: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)
« Reply #446 on: September 01, 2020, 05:36:51 PM »

Okay, so by owning a sanctuary, there seems to be a risk that the return on BBP may not be enough to offset the sponsorship cost. There's nothing with this arrangement, just wanted to be clear on the consequences of APM. 

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Yeah exactly, and the side benefit is once we get our sell wall sold off, the sancs will have a very good reason to buy BBP (to continue their own rewards).  We will probably also see more of an average once we get the POOS banning and the reduced number of sancs down to the 95% service level (of the sponsoring vs active count).




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Re: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)
« Reply #447 on: September 01, 2020, 08:24:03 PM »
** The Last Days Remnant will Teleport **

I remember hearing a couple testimonies of Sundar Selvaraj teleporting from an airport bathroom (to Britain) and I think one other place.  I also heard of Henry Gruver teleporting.
Mike444 recently had a dream of last days saints teleporting (to be able to evangelize efficiently) and he mentioned the place in the book of Acts where Philip did this, here it is:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%208%3A26-40&version=NLT
Acts 8:39



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Re: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)
« Reply #448 on: September 02, 2020, 02:01:06 AM »
The Block Subsidy is broken?

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Re: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes)
« Reply #449 on: September 02, 2020, 02:12:26 AM »
The Block Subsidy is broken?

Please read about APM and other novelties in the last version of September 2020

https://medium.com/biblepay-news/biblepay-july-august-2020-updates-8dc92fd34449

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Automatic Price Mooning (APM)
If the price of BBP stays the same or goes down, then the blockchain goes into money saving mode (we pay 99% less rewards to the Sanctuaries and to the Miners). This should give a strong motivation for the community to keep the price rising.