Bible Pay

BiblePay Proposals => Production Proposals => Topic started by: jaapgvk on March 01, 2018, 08:41:50 am

Title: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: jaapgvk on March 01, 2018, 08:41:50 am
I'm just thinking out-loud here. But I've been participating in some airdrops lately at https://airdropalert.com/ and they also do something called 'hosted airdrops'.

This means you fill in a form at their website like this one for example: https://airdropalert.com/cms/join/taxi

We might ask people to join our twitter and fill in their Biblepay wallet adres (which means they must download our paper/mobile/pc wallet to get an adres, and thus become aware of that we stand for). We might have a max of 3000 participants or something, and give everyone - for example - 100 BBP, or maybe even a dollar worth to each participant. I think it would get our name out there and hopefully we can get some more committed users.

This is not a proposal for this round, but just an idea we could maybe talk about :)
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: Cryptoshot on March 01, 2018, 08:50:19 am
It sounds very great and quite going to be fruitful if the needed applauds is given. I think this can help bridge the wide gap between awareness paucity of BBP and potential Embracers . I also think we all have it as a duty to begin rolling BBP on various social media pages, since it is now the communication center for almost everyone across the globe.
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: togoshigekata on March 01, 2018, 09:00:59 am
Id probably vote for an airdrop.

How to Get BiblePay Coins:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7nevdg/how_to_get_biblepay_bbp_coins/

So far we have 2 faucets, gospel link rewards, orphan letter rewards and proposal budget system,
but they may not be very well known and it might be beneficial to do social bounties,
(to help increase advertising/marketing/word of mouth/spread BiblePay),

In general Im not sure what kinds of characters these actions draw in for the coin and whether the quality will be high or that there will be scammers gaming the system (someone with 1000 fake twitter accounts that each has 1000 fake followers), but hey publicity is publicity

Bounties:
- Bitcointalk Signature Campaigns (and Avatar)
- Twitter Tweet, Retweet, Follow
- Discord Invite
- Youtube Videos
- Articles/Blogs (Steemit, Medium)
- Facebook Like, Repost
- Reddit Subscribe

Bounties Subforum:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0

If anyone is interested to run a bounty, check out the ideas others are doing in the Bounties subforum
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: jaapgvk on March 02, 2018, 11:37:34 am
Id probably vote for an airdrop.

How to Get BiblePay Coins:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7nevdg/how_to_get_biblepay_bbp_coins/

So far we have 2 faucets, gospel link rewards, orphan letter rewards and proposal budget system,
but they may not be very well known and it might be beneficial to do social bounties,
(to help increase advertising/marketing/word of mouth/spread BiblePay),

In general Im not sure what kinds of characters these actions draw in for the coin and whether the quality will be high or that there will be scammers gaming the system (someone with 1000 fake twitter accounts that each has 1000 fake followers), but hey publicity is publicity

Bounties:
- Bitcointalk Signature Campaigns (and Avatar)
- Twitter Tweet, Retweet, Follow
- Discord Invite
- Youtube Videos
- Articles/Blogs (Steemit, Medium)
- Facebook Like, Repost
- Reddit Subscribe

Bounties Subforum:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0

If anyone is interested to run a bounty, check out the ideas others are doing in the Bounties subforum

Yeah, the faucet and especially the writing bounties are for people 'in the know'. An airdrop would mainly be to get our name out there and try and get new people to join us.

About the people gaming the system: most airdrops on that site also require you to join a telegram-group. Telegram is linked to your mobile phone number, so it would be very hard to game the system if you have to join both the Biblepay twitter Šnd telegram-group (a group only created for the airdrop).

That being said, I think that most people join airdrops to make a few bucks and nothing more, but still, if they have to visit our site to download a wallet, they are going to be confronted by who we are. Most airdrops are ethereum-based and you just have to enter your ethereum-wallet to get tokens. With us, is would be different, because you have to download a biblepay-wallet, so people have to be more active to get BBP.
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: jaapgvk on April 11, 2018, 08:32:53 am
I've been talking to David from https://airdropalert.com/ (who is also Dutch, I found out), if it's possible to have an exclusive airdrop with them.

I've have subscribed to airdrops with them in the past and they have always been transparant. That's why I chose them.

The idea is as follows: we give 5000 people an airdrop worth $1, so we're talking about something like 2M BBP. And we host this airdrop with https://airdropalert.com/. The requirements to be able to participate in this airdrop would be:
1. Leave your email address
2. Join our twitter (not really sure if necessary)
3. Join our airdrop Telegram group (anti-fraud protection)
4. Download our wallet

Above should make sure that there are not much duplicate accounts participating in the airdrop.

I think this airdrop will do the following things:
-Create awareness
-Bring in new miners
-Bring in new people with a heart for the project
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: 616westwarmoth on April 11, 2018, 09:29:26 pm
I've been talking to David from https://airdropalert.com/ (who is also Dutch, I found out), if it's possible to have an exclusive airdrop with them.

I've have subscribed to airdrops with them in the past and they have always been transparant. That's why I chose them.

The idea is as follows: we give 5000 people an airdrop worth $1, so we're talking about something like 2M BBP. And we host this airdrop with https://airdropalert.com/. The requirements to be able to participate in this airdrop would be:
1. Leave your email address
2. Join our twitter (not really sure if necessary)
3. Join our airdrop Telegram group (anti-fraud protection)
4. Download our wallet

Above should make sure that there are not much duplicate accounts participating in the airdrop.

I think this airdrop will do the following things:
-Create awareness
-Bring in new miners
-Bring in new people with a heart for the project

I like this idea, and follow me a bit on the value.  I'd rather do more people for less BBP.  Right now $1 BBP is roughly 400 BBP since we're at 1/4 cent as of late.  However, as this is not investment advice, I firmly believe we'll be above 1/2 cent in mid summer as long as the cryptocurrency market at large recovers a bit and if we can get more exposure then I see one cent as our intrinsic value we can achieve in the moderate term.  100 BBP for 20,000 people would be the same cost to us.

Or if there is a way to do it with a time limit and say max of 20,000 people but we'll divide the 2M evenly that would work too.

Granted not saying this as criticism just would rather see either a smaller budget for 5K people or more people for a 2M budget.
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: jaapgvk on April 12, 2018, 09:31:39 am
I agree with your points West. I'd also rather do more people for the same amount of BBP. On the other hand, a dollar airdrop is kinda the minimum that goes around in the 'airdrop business' as far as I can tell.

David told me that most exclusives are in the 5 dollar range. That's obviously not going to happen. Of course, a lot of these coins already have a pumped-up value, so it's easy to give away 5 dollar aidrops for them. And most of the non-exclusives are scamcoins that will never achieve anything.

Anyway. I don't mind giving .20 cent airdrops of 1 dollar airdrops. To me it's just about getting exposure.

I like your idea about having an airdrop for a certain time and then dividing 2M BBP among those who entered. On the other hand, maybe only 1000 people will sign up in the end with this approach.

Anyway. I'm open for all suggestions. Just thinking out loud with this airdrop idea  :)


Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: togoshigekata on April 12, 2018, 08:26:07 pm
I dont know the airdrop space at all, and you seem to have some knowledge
 and Ive seen airdrop stuff on your twitter.

airdropalert.com is the number 1 result when you google "airdrop crypto"

===

- Will you have to manually verify the actions they take?

Potential Actions:
"Following BiblePay Twitter Account, Retweet or createate Tweet @BiblePay"
"Join BiblePay Discord "
"Subscribe on Reddit /r/BiblePay, Upvote and Comment"
"Upvote and Comment on Steemit/Medium Article"
"Add BiblePay to your Bitcointalk Forum Signature, Comment about BiblePay on Bitcointalk Announcement Post or in Altcoin discussion area"

Other Actions:
Join Facebook Group
Join Telegram
Submit email for Newsletter

- What actions do you plan to make participants do?
- After performing their actions they have to send you the proof/records of it?
- Will there be a lot of time wasted sorting through scammers trying to fake doing the actions?
- How much effort will confirming actions take and how much money would you like for that effort?

- Do you plan to advertise the airdrop, and where?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0
https://twitter.com/cryptoairdrops

Looks like there are other websites, articles, etc could contact/leave comment on to spread the word, Id be down to help with spreading it.

- How long do you think the airdrop will last?

===

Depending on the actions users will be required to perform, this totally has my vote
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: MIP on April 13, 2018, 02:18:25 am
This is very interesting, because even if we reach only a low % of  the total audience, that will be still a lot of new people interested in this project.
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: jaapgvk on April 13, 2018, 05:47:55 am
I dont know the airdrop space at all, and you seem to have some knowledge
 and Ive seen airdrop stuff on your twitter.

airdropalert.com is the number 1 result when you google "airdrop crypto"

===

- Will you have to manually verify the actions they take?

Potential Actions:
"Following BiblePay Twitter Account, Retweet or createate Tweet @BiblePay"
"Join BiblePay Discord "
"Subscribe on Reddit /r/BiblePay, Upvote and Comment"
"Upvote and Comment on Steemit/Medium Article"
"Add BiblePay to your Bitcointalk Forum Signature, Comment about BiblePay on Bitcointalk Announcement Post or in Altcoin discussion area"

Other Actions:
Join Facebook Group
Join Telegram
Submit email for Newsletter

- What actions do you plan to make participants do?
- After performing their actions they have to send you the proof/records of it?
- Will there be a lot of time wasted sorting through scammers trying to fake doing the actions?
- How much effort will confirming actions take and how much money would you like for that effort?

- Do you plan to advertise the airdrop, and where?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0
https://twitter.com/cryptoairdrops

Looks like there are other websites, articles, etc could contact/leave comment on to spread the word, Id be down to help with spreading it.

- How long do you think the airdrop will last?

===

Depending on the actions users will be required to perform, this totally has my vote

Yeah, I was quite busy with airdrops for a while, haha! I participated in an airdrop a long time ago, and when I found it I basically earned 2000 euro's by retweeting something, I got FOMO ;D

Anyway, by having an exclusive airdrop with airdropalert, they do a lot of the work for you. They provide the form and the checks, and I think you get an excel with all data at the end of the airdrop.

You can take two approached: the 'limited applicants approach', whereby the airdrop closes after a certain number (for example 5000), or you have a 'limited time approach', where you close the airdrop after a certain time (for example two weeks).

By having users do a certain amount of actions, you can limit the number of fraudulent applications. Telegram is a good one for this I think, since you need a mobile number to create an account. But having users take a number of these actions, you can reduce the number of fraudulent applications to such a low figure that I don't think it's necessary to weed them out in the end.

I was thinking about a combination of Twitter (with a possible retweet) and Telegram, since that is the approach that most airdropping cryptos take. Also, almost all airdrops are Ethereum tokens, so an extra step that our applicants have to take, is to download one of our wallets.

Downloading the wallet consists of going to our website, which is a great way to get exposure.

Btw, good suggestion on the 'Bitcointalk Forum Signature' campaign thing. That could also be a nice way to get exposure (outside of airdrops). You give people a certain amount of BBP (depending on your status (newbie/member/hero etc)) when they have a Biblepay signature and make a minimum amount of posts per week.
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: 616westwarmoth on April 13, 2018, 11:29:02 am
Yeah, I was quite busy with airdrops for a while, haha! I participated in an airdrop a long time ago, and when I found it I basically earned 2000 euro's by retweeting something, I got FOMO ;D

Anyway, by having an exclusive airdrop with airdropalert, they do a lot of the work for you. They provide the form and the checks, and I think you get an excel with all data at the end of the airdrop.

You can take two approached: the 'limited applicants approach', whereby the airdrop closes after a certain number (for example 5000), or you have a 'limited time approach', where you close the airdrop after a certain time (for example two weeks).

By having users do a certain amount of actions, you can limit the number of fraudulent applications. Telegram is a good one for this I think, since you need a mobile number to create an account. But having users take a number of these actions, you can reduce the number of fraudulent applications to such a low figure that I don't think it's necessary to weed them out in the end.

I was thinking about a combination of Twitter (with a possible retweet) and Telegram, since that is the approach that most airdropping cryptos take. Also, almost all airdrops are Ethereum tokens, so an extra step that our applicants have to take, is to download one of our wallets.

Downloading the wallet consists of going to our website, which is a great way to get exposure.

Btw, good suggestion on the 'Bitcointalk Forum Signature' campaign thing. That could also be a nice way to get exposure (outside of airdrops). You give people a certain amount of BBP (depending on your status (newbie/member/hero etc)) when they have a Biblepay signature and make a minimum amount of posts per week.

I'm glad you're hear and have this experience.  Great to have a subject matter expert!

The only airdrop I'm reasonably familiar with is the DeepOnion one, and that's kind of atypical from the looks of it.  How would we verify that a person downloaded the wallet?  And I do like the signature requirement but am leery of any mandatory posting requirements as in my view that just encourages spam and ultimately diminishes the value of the signature in the first place.   

But the more I hear, the better I like the idea!
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: Rob A. on April 14, 2018, 10:55:00 am
This sounds like a perfect project for T-mike.  Since he started podcbbp.org.

We could:
Advertise Helping cure cancer through clock cycles, receive $1 of free BBP - click here
The click takes you to his web site
The user pastes a New CPID
We verify the CPID Age > 0 and less than 7 days and the CPID has rac > 1 and the Receive address has not been used
We pay from his faucet the airdrop reward
We save the e-mail for new user correspondence on his mailing list

Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: jaapgvk on June 25, 2018, 05:01:06 am
This sounds like a perfect project for T-mike.  Since he started podcbbp.org.

We could:
Advertise Helping cure cancer through clock cycles, receive $1 of free BBP - click here
The click takes you to his web site
The user pastes a New CPID
We verify the CPID Age > 0 and less than 7 days and the CPID has rac > 1 and the Receive address has not been used
We pay from his faucet the airdrop reward
We save the e-mail for new user correspondence on his mailing list

Okay, this would actually be a good approach!

Maybe it's even better to give more incentive. Like instead of giving 5000 people 1$, let's give 1000 people 5$. I say this because cheating this system would be very time consuming (setting up accounts and waiting for tasks to be solved) Šnd they would probably receive enough 'getting started funds' to receive magnitude without having to buy BBP from an exchange from the get go (making it easier to start).

We could maybe do it this way: create a google-form (or our own online form on the website) on which people can post the CPID with RAC. On that form they also have to provide us with a BBP-address and an email-address that matches the one they have used to sign up for our newsletter (on our new website).

If the email-addresses match and the CPID with RAC is less then 7 days old, we could transfer the BBP to their wallet.

Maybe we could even write a script for this, or automate it in some way (I don't know :p).

I've been in contact with airdropalert.com. They have free and paid listings. Their cheapest package is 750$ in ETH and includes the following things:

1) Promotion package Small
- Priority listing on website for 3 days
- No advertisement at info on airdrop
- 2 Tweets/FB/TG posts announcing the airdrop

Is it worth the price? The social media posts will reach a lot of people. But we could perhaps also do our own PR.
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: jaapgvk on June 29, 2018, 02:06:52 am
Maybe we should add one thing to the list above: a social media post. Maybe we can let people choose between twitter/facebook/instagram whatever, and add a link to that post to the form. This way we also spread more awareness while doing the airdrop.
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: LifeThruGrace on June 30, 2018, 01:41:35 am
I've participated in a few air drops and I'm on earn.com -- Honestly, I haven't followed any of the altcoins I signed up for. App downloads, social media posts, telegram joins, etc. All of them, I did, then either left or deleted the app. The only incentive was the payout and nothing else. So, how many participants are like myself in the airdrop world? How much of the airdrop would just be wasted on people like myself?

Even Jesus had a small group of disciplines that help spread his message and even died for the Gospel. Even then, they did not understand even after his death and resurrection.  So, I feel making fishers of men is important than speaking to a large crowd where you do not make believers.

I don't know anything about the airdrop side just receiving... so I'm open to hearing your thoughts.
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: jaapgvk on June 30, 2018, 07:11:15 am
I've participated in a few air drops and I'm on earn.com -- Honestly, I haven't followed any of the altcoins I signed up for. App downloads, social media posts, telegram joins, etc. All of them, I did, then either left or deleted the app. The only incentive was the payout and nothing else. So, how many participants are like myself in the airdrop world? How much of the airdrop would just be wasted on people like myself?

Even Jesus had a small group of disciplines that help spread his message and even died for the Gospel. Even then, they did not understand even after his death and resurrection.  So, I feel making fishers of men is important than speaking to a large crowd where you do not make believers.

I don't know anything about the airdrop side just receiving... so I'm open to hearing your thoughts.

I absolutely see your point. The reason I had the idea for an airdrop is because I also participated in some airdrops myself also. And indeed the overwhelming majority was of the 'fire and forget' type, and I didn't  even read what they were about. Just a quick buck on the side. Retweet, fill in my ether-adres, and done.

I think that our airdrop is different form most, because to be able to receive the airdrop, you're practically already mining BiblePay. You need to have a BiblePay address (meaning you will most probably download a wallet), and you need to have RAC (meaning you don't just have to create a Rosetta@home account (and join our team) but also solved at least one task). That's a big hurdle for most.

I think that for most people this costs way to much time and effort (at least way more than retweet something, join a telegram group and fill in your ether-address). In my view, having an airdrop is about 'getting out there'. We get retweets and airdrop groups showing us on their websites, telegrams and twitters. Are there are bound to be people among there that are like you and me: they participate in airdrops but also think that BiblePay is actually something worthwhile.

In the end you receive some dollars worth of BBP and the only thing you have left to do is to associate your wallet with your Rosetta@home account, and you're done.

I don't want to give away any more than necessary. And I want to do a quality airdrop. Meaning that I want this airdrop to succeed in getting people on board that really see our value. Combining a tough airdrop proces with a nice reward I think has the ability to do these things.

I also don't need to spend the entire airdrop budget. If we do it ourselves, we can decide as a community how long we will do the airdrop and how much we want to spend :)
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: LifeThruGrace on July 05, 2018, 01:19:58 pm
I'm not sure if it is technically feasible, but giving BBP for people downloading mobile app could be a possibility. Is there a mechanism on the Android Play Store to verify someone downloaded an app and to give a one-time code to redeem BBP?
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: jaapgvk on July 09, 2018, 07:25:54 am
Okay, Iíve been doing some more research concerning the airdrop and have had some feedback on it. Basically, I think that the best approach is to do a high quality airdrop that takes a lot of effort. This is because I want to attract actual new users and not people who are just in it for the airdrop itself.

I would suggest the following approach: only new BiblePay PODC Researchers with a burned CPID in the blockchain get BBP. We will give these people a pretty high compensation (like 10.000 BBP).

So basically, if you participate in this airdrop, in the end you are already mining and receive enough BBP to start staking with a mediocre PC.

Other forms of airdrops just donít seem worth it to me. I think that The BBP we spent on the airdrop is an investment in our future.

So basically, new Researchers need to go through a couple of steps:
-Register with BOINC, join team BiblePay, and start researching.
-Download wallet, register on pool.biblepay.org to get BBP from the faucet, and burn their CPID in the blockchain.
-Sign up for our newsletter.
-Fill in the airdrop-form
-(Optional) share the airdrop on their social-channels.

Again, Iím just thinking out-loud concerning the airdrop 😊

I think it would be awesome to have the airdrop alongside the first round of advertising. I was thinking about doing a long-term airdrop. I can ask for BBP from the superblock and the airdrop turns to a ĎSorry, come back next monthí when the funds run dry. But of course, thatís only if the airdrop proves to be a success.
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: LifeThruGrace on July 09, 2018, 10:46:28 am
Have you considered the abuse potential? It wouldn't be hard to create VMs (Windows or Linux) and script your way to multiple 10k BBP payouts. At 0.002 x 10k = $20 USD?  That's a lot of motivation to cheat the system. Sorry to be negative here, but I've seen a lot of airdrops not give the result people wanted. Wasted advertising $$$ mostly if you actually follow through on the payout.  Would you have to screen for fraud manually or is there an automated/clever way to clean out fraud? Is having to upload your identification too much?  Or perhaps there's an API where you can tie in with a reputable exchange where the user is registered and authenticated to an acceptable level?
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: jaapgvk on July 09, 2018, 11:04:59 pm
Have you considered the abuse potential? It wouldn't be hard to create VMs (Windows or Linux) and script your way to multiple 10k BBP payouts. At 0.002 x 10k = $20 USD?  That's a lot of motivation to cheat the system. Sorry to be negative here, but I've seen a lot of airdrops not give the result people wanted. Wasted advertising $$$ mostly if you actually follow through on the payout.  Would you have to screen for fraud manually or is there an automated/clever way to clean out fraud? Is having to upload your identification too much?  Or perhaps there's an API where you can tie in with a reputable exchange where the user is registered and authenticated to an acceptable level?

I like your feedback. I thought that I made it hard for people to cheat the system.

Do you think it's easy to script something that registers you on three websites using a unique email-address, downloads, installs, and sets-up two software-programs (including waiting time for the R@H task to solve and for the blockchain to sync correctly), burns your CPID into the blockchain, and fills in the google-form with all the necessary data? I have only little programming skills, so I don't know how someone would go about this.

The verification will be manual btw (also due to my lack of programming skills).

I'm not feeling comfortable doing a KYC, with all the risks involved. It would be nice to be able to do some blockchain identity verification. I know that some projects are working on that (like Civic), and it would be nice to be able to use something like that in the future.

I could also ask participants to join a special Telegram airdrop group, those accounts are linked to unique phone-numbers.

Anyway: thanks for the feedback :) I hope that we can have a quality airdrop that gives us new users.

My thought about doing the airdrop this way, was that participants would already be mining in the end. Of course they could sell, but why not keep on mining?
Title: Re: Proposal idea: airdrop
Post by: jaapgvk on July 12, 2018, 06:22:55 am
I've decided to go ahead and ask for preliminary funds for this. We can work out the exact details of the airdrop later on, but I feel that we're pretty far in the process.

My plan at the moment is:
Securing funds (750$ in ETH) to get exposure on airdropalert.com (and all of their social channels). I think that it is important to get exposure for the airdrop. Airdropalert.com is the largest entity listing these kind of things, and smaller entities are largely leaching off of them, so getting exposure on there I think means getting exposure along a wide spread of airdrop-listing entities.

I think that the feedback that LifeThruGrace gave is very valuable, and the last thing I would want to, is to throw away BBP. So it's probably best to include the need to subscribe to a special 'BiblePay-Airdrop' Telegram group. Telegram is linked to your telephone-number, so adding this will reduce the ability to game the system.

I'd rather not do this, because I would also like to appeal to crowds outside of the normal airdrop clique (who use Telegram in masses, because it's often an requisite for an airdrop), but maybe it's for the best.

I would like to request 1M BBP. Which is about 2000 dollars. And I want to use this money to get exposure and get a first 'batch' of airdroppers on board. We can then review the data and see if we want to prolong the airdrop (I can ask for budget each month).

Let's say that we can get 50 long-term Miners on board each month because of the airdrop. I think that would be very much worth it.

The beauty is that we can check the data and see what airdroppers do after receiving the airdrop (selling everything or continue to mine).

I think that the P2P budget is best suited for this (although it could also be PR).

If most people think that 10.000 BBP is too much, I'll gladly slash it in half :) I'm open for all feedback.