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Hi CB,

Ahh, ok, ParaMind, hmm, I never heard of that but I have it on my list to check out now!
Yeah, I read about ParaMind, interesting software. It seems like you were 20 years ahead of the AI race, at least in some respect.
I saw the output of the long merge
https://www.paramind.net/bdt1mrge.html
When I read that I thought, maybe it would be useful to apply weights to each row added and somehow provide the top 20 to the user.  But then thats a long discussion.

Have you seen Princeton's paper on Word Embeddings in Geometric Algebra?

https://www.pacm.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/pacm_arjunmani_0.pdf


This is one of the bigger foundations of modern day AI models; in the NLM, one of the low level (initial learning side) algorithms apply a distinct int(eger) to a word, and then the intelligence amplification process, forms a base relationship (kind of like our ECDSA point on a plane) between words and subjects, such as the relationship between " a man is to a King as a Woman is to ___".  So on a graph, you can look at the linear relationship of the points and where they cross, you have an NLM relationship (IE the subject is similar and the relativity is calculatable using math).  Maybe you can use that algorithm to apply weights to subjects that are related, and write a successor etc.


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Active Discussions / Re: BIBLEPAY - DOGE DECENTRALIZED EXCHANGE
« Last post by Rob Andrews on January 17, 2025, 04:57:23 PM »
Alright, biblepay-doge atomic transactions 1.0 are being released now:

First question: Why don't we have a separate wallet for TestNet:
This build runs in the latest Production wallet (0.22.4-HamansHanging).
I chose to release this into the prod version rather than the testnet version because the AtomicTx uses real DOGE and real BBP.
(I did not want the feature to work with TBBP).

So please download the latest version with the link in the OP post and we can do testing with real coins.

Up to this point there are 3 primary architectures that we can use to accomplish these atomic tx's:
1) Coins are sent directly from user to user, Doge tx's are not mined into the chain unless the UTXO is confirmed by 6 sanctuaries, requires buyers and sellers to be online to trade, and requires a hard fork.  I originally wrote the whole system this way, but decided to remove that code and make method 1 dormant, because I didnt like the hard fork nor the fact the users have to be online constantly to trade. 
2) Escrow Tx's are sent to a sanc, the sanc holds on to the Tx and does the atomic swap if a match occurs, however, if a match does not occur or if the user Cancels the trade, the coins are returned.  <-- This is actually how the AtomicTx works right now.
3) Colored Coins are used to send WDOGE back and forth.  A user can Wrap a doge using a Wrapping Tx, or Redeem DOGE using an unwrapping tx against a sanc.  This will allow frictionless trading whether online or offline and almost fee-free trading for fractional quantities, and some other exciting things.  Im actually working on this proof-of-concept in the background and this may be the best method of all, but more on that later.

Now moving to my mini instructions (will make a Wiki for this page asap):
Assume that you must go the RPC console to do any of these.

How do I list the orders?

exec listorderbook buy
exec listorderbook sell

How do I place a trace?


exec placetrade buy NNNN pppp
Where NNNN is the Qty and pppp is the price.
You can also place a trade to SELL bbp for DOGE using:
exec placetrade sell NNNN_bbp pppp

How do I cancel a trade and get my collateral back?
Take note of the order id by either 'listorderbook buy-sell and find it' or the ID that was printed when you placed the trade.
You can see your orders in the orderbook by looking for a FLAG="M".  You can also find your ID in the trading_log.  You can also find your id in the
BBP transactionlist, double click it and read the advanced information (IE <atomictransaction>ID: nnnn</atomictransaction>).
Once you know the ID of the trade type:
exec canceltrade ID


How do I see my integrated DOGE wallet balance?

exec getdogebalance
This command also shows your DOGE public key, and your doge balance, and your BX link.

How do I send DOGE from my BBP wallet?

exec senddoge destination_address amount

NOTE:  The BBP wallet will not spend any of your funds from your normal keys.
To start trading you will have to go to receiving addresses, and find your TRADING-PUBLIC-KEY, and send funds to it.
Also your wallet must be unlocked to trade.
All atomic tx funds are spent from the TRADING-PUBLIC-KEY, and all canceled transactions and filled transactions from other users are sent to your TRADING-PUBLIC-KEY.  All inbound DOGE comes to your 'exec getdogebalance' key.  All outbound doge comes out of your 'exec getdogebalance' key.

In version 1.0, this atomic trading system is only capable of matching Exact trades (meaning that the buyer and seller are selling the same quantity of coins) and the price must be at or better than the sellers price.

Example:
If I am selling 1000 BBP for .0001 doge, the buyer must be buying 1000 BBP for .0001 or .00011 or .00015 (IE at that price or higher) to get the coins.

In v1.1, we will attempt to introduce fractional fills.

Enjoy.

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The DOGE/BBP Atomic Tx is ready for testnet; will post about it there.

https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=971.0     
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Hi Rob,

I meant to answer this question but have been elsewhere.

I created ParaMind Brainstorming Software, the first generative brainstorming program in Windows.  We first started selling copies in 1993 and have sold them up until about three years ago.  There is a video "The Mother of All Prompts" which shows the ParaMind algorithm, which one can see from our examples page at our website.

It's been mentioned in various books, including one by Ray Kurzweil.

Hi CB,

Ahh, ok, ParaMind, hmm, I never heard of that but I have it on my list to check out now!


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Hi CB, good to see you tonight and God bless you.
Thats cool you used to have a software company.  What software did you sell?  Good luck too.

Hi Rob,

I meant to answer this question but have been elsewhere.

I created ParaMind Brainstorming Software, the first generative brainstorming program in Windows.  We first started selling copies in 1993 and have sold them up until about three years ago.  There is a video "The Mother of All Prompts" which shows the ParaMind algorithm, which one can see from our examples page at our website.

It's been mentioned in various books, including one by Ray Kurzweil.

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As promised, one small update first:

The technical hurdles were solved for atomic trading (IE the hard stuff, the punchlist of 35 items) etc.  But there is one technical issue holding up my progress, so we need another 7 days before testnet is ready; but I think overall its good and on schedule for testing soon.

I wanted to also comment on one of the prior comments that I made:
The huge advantage to having a decentralized DOGE exchange in the wallet is that it is equivalent to being listed on every exchange in the world.  Someone asked why.  Thats because first of all, DOGE is listed EVERYWHERE.  So this is  similar to 'virtually' being listed on the top 10 exchanges - think Binance, HitBTC, Coinbase, etc.  Of course as mentioned, there is no real volume in the wallet so no, we have no trading volume or real liquidity in the wallet yet.  But otoh, you can trade in and out of DOGE, meaning that I can trade out in Kenya, India, US, anywhere.  Thats quite amazing, isnt it?

Finally, I noticed Bololex came back on and I was able to withdraw BBP successfully.  Great news, no funds are lost for our users!

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Hi Rob!

I signed in over at the testnet thread, will try to squeeze some time for testing this great idea.

Bololex never attracted me for some reason, now I know why. So unfortunate, many great coins face the same challenge of exposure. Once mainstream exchanges drop out of the picture, communities fall into the hands of smaller (and in most cases shady) exchanges. DEX is the way to go, both for decentralization and peace of mind.

Before we write the specs on stone, may I suggest discussing if we could make provisions for extra functionality?

1. Would adding other coins (which are also struggling to find a place to be listed) into this mini-DEX possible?
2. Could the model be developed into something where BBP itself is consumed/locked as "gas", commision, or collateral so that demand for our own beloved coin increases?

As always, I want to thank you for the effort and time you are putting into this. One other coin you developed was the reason I started mining crypto, and BBP has been a successful sequel for me. Everyone is entitled to their own views, of course, but for me, creating value for humanity, science and democracy is a top objective of crypto.

No matter what the outcome, keep your chin up bro. This project has done more good for the needy than many millionaires around the world :)
Hi Talisman,
Good to hear from you, and, thank you for the kind words and good advice.

Great, Im glad you will be able to help test.

Yes, I'm dissapointed that BBP fell into that area where we were sort of on the desperate side to have an exchange, and ended up with going through this era of small shady exchanges -- who ended up having no integrity in the end.  Hopefully once God opens the door, we then see success and prosperity going forward.

Regarding the great idea of listing other small coins who have no avenue for an exchange, and using BBP as "gas", it did cross my mind already and is not completely impossible.  So Id say there are a few aspects here: 1) Do I support the idea, because I have a heart for those projects: YES, 2) Do I like the idea of being a DEX that serves other communities: YES, and now lets shift gears however to a couple hurdles.  I do feel there has to be a minimum level of activity and testing done first on our own exchange before we expand into the full DEX feature - another words, I will do some hard work to get this out and if we can get a certain amount of traffic flowing through this thing we can take the next logical step and possibly add another trading room for another currency.  Last piece of this is, there will be certain minimum technical requirements just to list another coin.  Probably on the order of one of our sanctuaries running their wallet and us coming up with a standard API that uses the alt-currencies BlockExplorer API to validate UTXOs that are "settled".  The reason this becomes an issue is because the mining rule will pause OCO AtomicTx's that rely on the foreign currencies UTXO to be settled at certain heights which could slow down our miners if not done right.  And then there is the perpetual cost of running one BX/AltNode for each listed currency that someone has to either volunteer for or pay for etc.  So lets keep this in mind.  As far as architecture, yes, I will keep this in mind to make sure its not going to be extremely hard to shoe horn in once we go down there.

As far as where we are now, I think the feature is 65% finished.  Know that in 1.0 its going to be all RPC but of course, pie in the sky idea is if we ever take off, we can add a GUI to the core wallet (woudlnt that be amazing to have a GUI trading room in a core wallet lol).

Ill post again this weekend with more finer updates in the TestNet thread also.

Have a great week.

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Hi Rob!

I signed in over at the testnet thread, will try to squeeze some time for testing this great idea.

Bololex never attracted me for some reason, now I know why. So unfortunate, many great coins face the same challenge of exposure. Once mainstream exchanges drop out of the picture, communities fall into the hands of smaller (and in most cases shady) exchanges. DEX is the way to go, both for decentralization and peace of mind.

Before we write the specs on stone, may I suggest discussing if we could make provisions for extra functionality?

1. Would adding other coins (which are also struggling to find a place to be listed) into this mini-DEX possible?
2. Could the model be developed into something where BBP itself is consumed/locked as "gas", commision, or collateral so that demand for our own beloved coin increases?

As always, I want to thank you for the effort and time you are putting into this. One other coin you developed was the reason I started mining crypto, and BBP has been a successful sequel for me. Everyone is entitled to their own views, of course, but for me, creating value for humanity, science and democracy is a top objective of crypto.

No matter what the outcome, keep your chin up bro. This project has done more good for the needy than many millionaires around the world :)
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Active Discussions / Re: BIBLEPAY - DOGE DECENTRALIZED EXCHANGE
« Last post by talisman on January 07, 2025, 07:11:06 AM »
Count me in, great idea !
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I know from leading projects, that silence is often the worst type of response, so I will venture a few
thoughts.

I think with projects like this, it's best to see a long future.

A lot of tech and tech businesses has a very short lifespan.  I myself am rebooting a software company
that was strong in the 1990s and 2000s and which I still sold copies of until a few years ago. 

So, my thoughts are, why not have two versions of BiblePay?  A very easy to use version with simple
staking, and the version you have now?

Could they both ride the same blockchain?

It would be a first.

Some of the last thread is going over my head.  I am just too busy with life to really get my hands dirty
and start setting up SANCs, and so on.  But I like the idea you are setting up a linkage to Atomic DEX's.

I like the DOGE feature but the way it's explained brings in other tech and keyboards.   I guess you are saying what you send to the wallet in DOGE is also staking in the SANCs? 

"The amazing thing about this is then we would be listed on every exchange in the world where DOGE is listed, so liquidity would be unlimited."   Is this really the case for any coin right now??

Hi CB, good to see you tonight and God bless you.
Thats cool you used to have a software company.  What software did you sell?  Good luck too.


So I like and agree that we also need a clean easy to use UI where people can come in and stake.  You know that is not lost (just been tough to put in enough hours to get there).  Basically in the back end (our sanctuary mining feature that is in prod/and running a variable sized sanc) it is defintely possible for us to do something like coinbase did, where we create a UI for easy fractional sancs (or as you say, simply stake some BBP and earn rewards).  So lets keep that idea floating around.  We dont even need to have two wallet branches on github, we can have an 'easy mode' and an 'advanced mode' (kind of like Coinbase has their little switch at the bottom) - eventually.

But also I wanted to clarify on this decentralized DOGE trading platform idea some of the terminology and stuff.  I already started writing it because I feel losing our last exchange, bololex was a big blow to us.  Please everyone, keep praying for BBP to be listed on a big exchange as well - like binance.us for example.

So regarding this I have ironed out some of the key concepts and this is going to be a reality!  I am pumped about it, because this feature alone really should send BBP up to .01 cent (you would think).  How many clone coins dont even have 1 feature, yet we would have this one.

So the way this works is remember, DOGE is 99% compatible with our chain.  They have a very similar block emission (5.2B coins), deflationary (like us), their addresses are base58 encoded (like us) and they are bitcoin compatible (like us).

When the wallet boots, we issue a DOGE address inside the biblepay chain and that address can receive both BBP or DOGE.  (Tested and works now).  I also have it to where we can transmit the doge out of the wallet, to another DOGE user from a BBP wallet (works).  You can also check your DOGE balance in the bbp chain (works).

There is now an order book in the chain where it utilizes our sidechain (DOGE does not have that but we do) - btw our sidechain runs with instantsend, so its immediate.  You can place a trade in the wallet using the RPC, and you can BUY or SELL BBP/DOGE.  The order book gets displayed in decimal descending, just like binance (IE listorderbook BUY, listorderbook SELL) will display the orderbook.

We also have a matching engine, where it matches buyers with sellers, and creates an AtomicTrade transaction.  This transaction is made safe because only one of two things can happen with your coins:
1) The first leg of the trade sets up an OCO AtomicTx with BBP from the Seller to the Buyer contingent upon a DOGE TXID.
2) The second leg of the trade sets up an OCO AtomicTX that checks if the BBP is in the memory pool and locked in the IX state, and if so it sends a certain DOGE signed TXID to the Seller.
Note that in this scenario, if the DOGE for some reason never reaches the buyer, the BBP TX will not be mined, so no money is lost.
However, if the BBP side of the TX is received by the BBP buyer (DOGE sender), the Doge tx will be sent - because the BBP is already locked.
And if the BBP was not locked in the IX state, the DOGE is not released.  And its all automated as well.
So this is a true atomic transaction.

I just started advertising this idea on DOGE bitcointalk to try to round up some testers.

I think the ETA for this in testnet is within 14 days.

Is anyone willing to test this?

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