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Archived Proposals / Re: New Exchange Proposal - Add new Biblepay Exchange

« on: January 31, 2018, 07:59:13 AM »

CCEX is STILL not accepting new accounts. So as it stands now, the only marketplace where this is trade-able is not accessible for new users. As we all know, the value of any cryptocurrency rises with it's volume. I have told many people at my workplace (I am an IT instructor) about this coin as an example of a currency that actually does something outside of the digital 1's and 0's world and they are excited about it, but most have no idea how to even buy BTC off Coinbase let alone register on an exchange that can't even be bothered to upgrade their infrastructure to allow new users. We paid 7 grand worth of orphanage fees the last two months in a row with the coin being worth less than a penny. Imagine how many humans we could help if it was worth 5 cents. Or a dollar. Or 5. We could put a serious dent in human suffering worldwide by doing what we do mining and spreading the good news. This needs to be a priority to get listed on more exchanges, or even at least 1 where new people can still create accounts.

Thanks Apocalypse , I like your Avatar also!  See guys this is a real world example of how users cant even buy BBP currently.

Ill paste this in CCEX's skype channel, but I know what hes going to say.  He cant hire anyone to help because he cant trust them.  And he doesnt want to grow because hes overloaded.  Ive suggested cardoning off the business, but he does not have time to consider it.  Sorry for the frustrations.

Edit:  So right now Tom is still checking as to why no one at SouthXChange has replied to us with the new coin add parameter instructions.  We have instructions on how to send them the .15btc to be listed, but this is where the buck stopped.

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Archived Proposals / Re: December 2017 IT expenses (payroll)

« on: January 30, 2018, 01:31:43 PM »

The main pool has integrated features: faucet, gospel links, orphan letter writing, proposal system
This is why I haven't really advertised the MinersOfMen pool since Id like people to use this main pool for those abilities, specially the orphan letter writing.
I think at some point these features could be moved out, but I like that it is all in one place, one stop shop. And that there is a mining reward for letter writing.
So I think payment for pool development work is definitely warranted, is definitely IT and definitely part of development.
I don't think Rob listed any pool work here though, I think his documents he linked are stored on the pool.

Not sure where Klondike (Slovakia) got that idea- I never even posted expenses for the pool yet.

I only posted hours for the initial github push of the core client in September.

Klondike please click on links and read before spreading new FUD.

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Archived Proposals / Re: BiblePay & CameroonONE

« on: January 30, 2018, 01:28:31 PM »

Jaap did a lot of due diligence with CameroonOne, and I was very impressed with his summary about Cameroon.

From what I can see they are solid, efficient, and growing. 

1.  Cameroon, how many children do you actively sponsor? 
2.  What areas of the world are the children in?
3.  Does your organization promote Christian beliefs toward the children?

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Archived Proposals / Re: Proposal: Zazzle shop directed at Crypto, Volunteer, Charity customer bases

« on: January 30, 2018, 01:24:44 PM »

If you want to give it a shot I am happy to take a step back. 

That being said, if you ever need help with graphics for anything ~ let me know, I would be happy to help!

We would love it, if you wanted to make this your baby  .

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Archived Proposals / Re: BiblePay.org Website Proposal - Website Upgrade

« on: January 30, 2018, 01:21:24 PM »

I will be voting Yes for this also.

Tom is going to build this at:

beta.biblepay.org

And when we have one ready for public viewing, during certain intervals he will remove the password so we can make more recommendations to make it great.  Then we intend on migrating it to www.biblepay.org when finished.

Note:  I am hoping this works out very well and he enjoys it, as I would like to invite Tom to perpetually maintain biblepay.org in the future after we are live.  This will involve him submitting monthly hour count to our IT  and I can either add to my monthly payroll proposal - or he can add a monthly hours proposal, (I suppose depending on how small it is).  If its 10 hours, I think I can reimburse him, etc.

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Archived Proposals / Re: PROPOSAL : Proof-Of-Loyalty

« on: January 30, 2018, 01:18:14 PM »

This concept is a good idea but I worry about the implementation.  How do you calculate coin age with coins of varying age?  A weighted average would probably be the fairest outcome.  Even with that, when you are receiving and sending coins would you be able to select which coins you are sending?  Would we be doing FIFO or LIFO or could you choose? If it's FIFO it may discourage transactions while LIFO may not.  Just some things to think about.

Welcome aboard thanks for the great question Anty!

Nice ideas there! 

Anyway, the current calculation method is as follows:

Out of the Stakeable Coin Set (these are coins > 24 hours old and unlocked):

We loop through each UTXO
We check its age in days
We check its Amount In CAmount

We multiply Age * Amount to arrive at individual UTXO CoinAge.

We then increment the Sum of the Total += IndividualCoinAge.

We continue Looping.

We finish counting the set.


So right now your Total Coin Age is actually "Each" Coins CoinAge summed together.

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Archived Proposals / Re: New Charity Organization - BLOOM

« on: January 30, 2018, 08:35:29 AM »

Thanks Alex, well why didnt you say so, LOL, just kidding.

OK, I see where you are coming from.  I had a strong consternation against taking away from the 2.8M from compassion originally, as I knew that real danger of not prepaying in advance, but this comment above paints it in a different light.

We are basically saying lets consider this proposal for payment outside of the charity budget - at the expense of some of the other categories.  Since we are a compassionate organization, well then Yes, I say Yes to that in Jesus name.

April said the following in summary:

880,000 BBP ($2640) to cover 10 children in emergency status for 3 months in Rakai, Uganda (ideally to continue in 3 month increments for same 10 kids)
108,000 BBP ($324) to feed 3 children at the Sierra Leone orphanage for 3 months (ideally to continue in 3 month increments for same 3 kids, and possibly add more kids each time a superblock is reached)
Total Request: 988,000 BBP

She wants us to sponsor 10 children in emergency status for 3 months, and feed 3 children in Sierra Leone for 3 months.

So if you want to bend my arm, I still have 4 small issues Id like to take care of- if we can knock these out I would vote YES:

1)
   From an IT perspective, what I would like to do is :  See a bio for these 10 children from an HTTP link, so that I can enter these 10 children in our database if this proposal passes.  All I need is a public HTTP page with 10 links for these 10 children. 
2) I would like an address where we can mail physical letters to - one concentrated address, so that our online letter system may dump this to paper, and Ill ensure the letters are mailed to  Aprils letter address.
3) I would like bio links for the 3 children in Sierra Leone we are feeding, but in this case, I will modify our system so investors can see the category desgination  (something like MEALS_PROGRAM) or something -   In summary for #3, just the ability to click Bios of these 3 kids also.
4) April will handle the liquidation of the BBP from her organization, and spend it for us, Rob will not need to convert BBP -> BTC for BLOOM .

April, would you be able to make these 4 things happen?  If so Ill vote Yes on this proposal.

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Archived Proposals / Re: Yobit Exchange Proposal - Add new Biblepay Exchange

« on: January 29, 2018, 11:08:06 AM »

We currently have 283K BBP in the fund to be used for a listing fee. Since beginning the search for another exchange for BBP we have learned that Yobit may not be honoring their listing agreement. They mays even holding fees paid for listings yet not listing the coins.

I suggest that Rob generalize this proposal to include the option of applying BBP or cash in the Listing Fee Fund to whatever exchange meets his criteria for whichever exchange meet his criteria for "the best" on our list of exchange candidates (which includes Yobit, southXchange and NEXT.EXCHANGE.)

Sorry for the Delay, I updated this proposal to be general.


Please let me know if the Activara link has changed.

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Archived Proposals / Re: New Charity Organization - BLOOM

« on: January 29, 2018, 07:34:23 AM »

Rob,

I based my $16000 on the price of 2.8 mil coins with our current new average price. I will also have you notice that we have now a nice average 24h volume of more than 2-3 btc, if you do it slowly, you won't "crash" the market by selling it now. You would have to wait 24h+ to sell everything which doesn't seem to be that difficult.

Explain your calculations if you don't agree with that because I think it is pretty straightforward. Look at the price of bitcoin, look at the price of BBP, look our average 24h trading volume.  So no, what I said is not "hogwash".

I said that IT integration the way you want is not necessary. A charity could have volunteers work with us on a personal level (which I think would be more beneficial for us). Bloom said that they have or could have a Bio page, photos and everything . It would just not be integrated with your pool.

My assumption, and I think what you also said to 616, is that what you are thinking of may expensive and costly (creating an API). We either have charities develop something for us or us develop something for the charity. I'm sure we both agree that it is expensive in both cases. I think you already expressed your point of view on having us develop something for charities.

My point is that small-medium charity will never work with us because they just don't have that kind of resource to develop an API for us. But they all do have a website with bio, pictures, etc so what I said in previous post is we can work with them in other ways that the "IT Integration" you're thinking of.

Edit: Also forgot to add that I didn't say to split the 2.8mil coin charity budget. I said that if there is "leftover coins" in the superblock (from other budgets such as PR, etc), that it could be good to redirect them to the charity budget and use that for Compassion, Bloom or any other charity proposal that may pop up.

Edit2: I also want to add (in case there was confusion on that part), that's the $16000 are for the superblock coming up, not past. I said that number after accounting for our new price and volume, we didn't have an exchange "working" for nearly 2 months.

I'm sorry for sounding rushed, but Im working on a proposal whitepaper and proof of concept for a new relationship and dont want to lose this new value add for biblepay - The value I am referring to is "missed opportunity value".  We have a very valuable opportunity right now that I dont want to see pass us by.  This opportunity is probably worth more than 70 million market cap, which could help over 50,000 orphans.  So I need to keep this at a high level so we dont miss the forest from the trees.

The reality is we dont have a trader who is going to sit in front of our only exchange and sell at 24 hour peaks.  Sure, OK, I will cave and sell the 2.8MM compassion coins a little slower, but again, your asking me to do more work.  Maybe we can set up a system to have a volunteer run the trade desk, its possible, but my plan is actually to work with the other group and get on the big exchange, so that problem actually solves itself.  I raise payroll on bittrex, and it doesnt move a cent when I pay my guys.  CCEX moves about 50%.  If we sold 20% for 5 days it would move 25% and backfill each day, I know that.  Ill give that a shot during the next budget.

Either way I want to make my point.  Last month I was able to raise .87 BTC for 1.7MM coins.  Yes, that is a huge improvement.  As you can see our price dropped 35% this morning.  Lets ground ourselves in reality boys.  We can not guarantee .87 is going to happen every time, even if you are the chincienst of the cincy.  So that means we most likely will raise about .87 for 1.7MM, and even if we did, I was under the impression we wanted to pre-pay the orphanage sponsorships for 6 months before taking on new risk?  Where is the money coming from.

(I based my scathing reply at the top primarily because of that understanding - prepaying our current 187 for 6 months first and opening the door slightly, a crack, slightly for competing vendors, sure the crack can be wider if the org works with us - in some way shape and form).

But, Its reckless to try to blow 1 million out of our 2.8M charity when we have not paid one month up front for any orphans yet.  That is my main point.  Its not that we cant squeeze more out of the market.  The other thing to take into consideration is our 40 day superblock average due to slow block times.  That adds up to a 25% delay in compassion payments.  25% is a big number!  Why do you think I error on the conservative side? That is equivalent to missing a payment once every 4 months.



So yes, its possible we have an extra 500K budget, but I would rather get a lock on my vendor caving on at the very least - Partial IT integration - Orphan Bios, and the ability to receive mailed letters.

As West just said he would hand mail a letter.  (Thanks West, thats great!)
   That would make me happy, then the investors could click on the links like any other link and we could have a column for Charity populated (actually we have that already).

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Archived Proposals / Re: Proposal: Zazzle shop directed at Crypto, Volunteer, Charity customer bases

« on: January 28, 2018, 10:40:48 PM »

I agree with this. I also responded in the original reddit thread and have been following this discussion (I follow absolutely everything on biblepay, I just don't always reply, sometimes because of time-limitations, sometimes because I don't feel I can make a worthwhile contribution to what has already been said).

While I think it's sad that ALT-J has left, I also questioned his motives in the reddit-thread. Asking money for something you are already making (very easy) money on, especially when you take future sales into account, just seemed a little bit off for me. I think every proposal should be weighed carefully in terms of pro's and con's independently of the amount of BBP asked, and I think this is a big part of being a sanctuary-owner is about.

I agree that some proposals and suggestions get very few responses, but at the same time I'm happy that the responses we do get, are mostly of high quality.

I hope we can have a new Zazzle shop, without party paraphernalia, and a good looking picture of Jesus.

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Archived Proposals / Re: New Charity Organization - BLOOM

« on: January 28, 2018, 08:09:45 PM »

Hey Rob,

I think the issue is that (from experience also) most smaller organisations don't have programmers nor even official "IT departments" as it is too expensive and not their "core business" which is helping people in distress. It's usually some volunteers who take care of the "basic" IT needs and the rest (such as the website) is outsourced to contractors or companies specialised in that.

Now that would make sense (and actually be a good sign to me) as I would rather have them use the funds to take care of more children rather than just having more employees.

Now, I might be wrong, but it is my understanding that Compassion did not specifically integrate with us (by that I mean creating an API just for us) but instead had already spent the money to create an API available to everyone. If we want to work with smaller charities, this just will never happen. They don't have the funds nor the HR for that.

IT integration with the pool is not something I would consider mandatory to me as there are other way to do it. It would also remove a lot of power from the masternodes as should masternodes not be able to vote for charities that don't integrate with the pool?
It would limit us to only the bigger charities which will not work with us on a personal level (which I think would be greatly beneficial for BiblePay). They would just have an API to use that everyone can use anyway and we would just be another donator.

I think it would be the best if you entered the budget you need for Compassion soon. Do you plan on using all the 2.8 mil coins? Right now, this is approximately $16000, plenty of room to pay Compassion and more. I understand the risk and volatility of the prices and it maybe being the reason you're waiting. If you plan on asking for all the charity coins, we could wait until we're closer to the Superblock and maybe add the "leftover" coins to the charity budget. Use them either for Compassion, Bloom or any other charity proposal that may appear.

I asked Bloom but if they would accept the payment directly in BiblePay, that could also be to our advantage as we wouldn't have to do the conversion ourselves even thought I am not sure how it would work for them (taxation wise).

I guess Ill have to be clearer here so we can communicate on this in a more granular fashion.

I realize Compassion had an API, thats why we used it - making the IT integration much easier.  Its either Us or Them, and if one exists it makes the job 90% easier.

To me, its of paramount importance to talk about IT, because we are a cryptocurrency.  (Were not a brick and mortar church).  One of our biggest features is clicking on the orphan Bio, so we can see who we are sponsoring.

Web sites are so prevalent, I argue that any charity worth their salt should be able to create BIOs for us.

So I disagree with your assumption that it cant be done - anything can be done if we both agree on it.  If we are willing to help the children, then put one of your IT people on the problem.

I realize parts 2 & 3 of the IT integration may not be possible (the letter writing interface).  But - I need a person who says Yes, meaning that someone will find a way to accept a typed letter in the mail, and we can have you and 616 mail them out personally once per month.

The $16000 you mention is hogwash.  Please go to Orphan -> Fundraisers, sum the list, and find the average before posting that here.  Its insulting.  I think its more like half that.  We dont raise 100% of our coin liquidations on our last-leg exchange.  We raise half when we crash the market.  I typed that earlier but its possible you missed it or didnt know what I meant.

So, therefore, again - we dont have a surplus, we can afford $120 of new orphans, and I prefer IT integration because I prefer to set a high standard with Biblepay.

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Archived Proposals / Re: New Charity Organization - BLOOM

« on: January 28, 2018, 07:43:48 AM »

Can you explain what type of programming is necessary? Is there an instruction manual? If not, I doubt any organization will be able to integrate.

We do or can, however, have all our kids' bios up on our website which is public. I am happy to provide those links to embed wherever you need so we don't need to create unnecessary work. And if anyone wants to write a letter back to the kids, they can type or write them and we're happy to pass it along. Again, though, it's not clear how we are going to get this information. Should I just copy and paste from this site somewhere?

And just to clarify so I understand, you are requiring a custom programmer for nonprofits with limited budgets in order for them to receive sponsors for the kids? But you were willing to provide the programming for 190 children for Compassion? 
*Can you clarify this please before we agree to move forward?

If this is the case, I would highly suggest a solution to this problem. I really don't foresee non profits going through this type of hassle just to get one child sponsored. Most Non profits don't have the resources to do something like that. If your goal was to just have Compassion and provide all their integration and PR, then that's fine, but if you'd like to give other kids a chance, then it will need to be easier and more fair for  others to participate.
*Can you clarify your goals on this as well?

Lastly, I am quite offended by this assumption:

"Regarding "starting small", I find it a little disturbing that you reference in your proposal that these children will be "starving" because nothing is being done, yet it appears that you would be very willing for us to not come up with the money for the next compassion payment (but instead divert it to BLOOM)."

Where did I suggest I was willing for you to "not come up with the money for the next compassion payment, and instead divert it to BLOOM?"

There was NO place I suggested that AT ALL. I asked if you were caught up, and from what Stephen has told me, there is a LOT of room in the budget for more sponsorships. I also gained that from your last replies that you'd be caught up. If you are accusing me of this, please clarify. Seriously, that's offensive and untrue. I can't help but think you're purposefully trying to find ways not to sponsor BLOOM kids, which is sad. How did we get off on the wrong foot here?

It sounds to me like there is a lot of discrepancy in what is available in the budget. Perhaps if that was more clear, we could make proposals that are more reasonable without offending each other.
*Can you please outline what IS available so we can clear this up?

"Can you explain what type of programming is necessary? Is there an instruction manual? If not, I doubt any organization will be able to integrate. "
-> If you doubt any organization can do it, then it doesnt sound like you are willing to go the extra mile to work with us.  Yes, if we had an integration session, I could provide that to your programmer.  Compassion has gone the extra mile and does have an API, so the statement you made is false.

"It sounds to me like there is a lot of discrepancy in what is available in the budget. Perhaps if that was more clear, we could make proposals that are more reasonable without offending each other.
"

-> Im sorry that you feel that way, but there was no discrepency, and the numbers have been available on our web site since we started if you took the time to read them. 
To see them, click Orphan -> Expenses from the Pool.  To see the fundraisers, click Orphans -> Fundraisers. 


We have just broken even with our compassion expenses, However, we have 190 orphans to pay, 40 day superblocks, (meaning that our Charity budget is only 2.8 MM per month ) that is available.  We crash the market when we convert these funds to cash each month.

Meaning that our budget is very close to break-even currently, and as I said above, I think we have $120 available for a project like this.

You have already said that is too small to work with, so I suggest coming back in 6 months and checking with us again since its "too small".

I feel like we should be working with Positive players, who Want to integrate with us, not starting out by calling us deceptive, and resistant to integrate, and have a very bleak outlook on other charities.

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Archived Proposals / Re: Proposal: Zazzle shop directed at Crypto, Volunteer, Charity customer bases

« on: January 27, 2018, 08:46:54 AM »

Zazzle store is down: When you click on an item, it shows as deleted.

 

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Archived Proposals / Re: Proposal: Zazzle shop directed at Crypto, Volunteer, Charity customer bases

« on: January 27, 2018, 08:45:33 AM »

Self gains only?

EDIT - Shop gone.

Goodbye, take care all the best in your futures. I am moving on to find a less morbid community. I would of just removed the thread but with it being at the top I couldn't, all the best in your futures but I can't stay around a community like this.

Alt, I sincerely apologize for the work you put in this and want to apologize if we hurt your feelings, and want you to know that we didn't intend this to be more than constructive criticism.

I want you to know that when you first replied with your willingness to delete the Beer Pong and change Jesus image, I would have been on board, and I think maybe Alex would have understood the nature of the change.

You have to realize a couple of us aren't really the cross section of the entire Biblepay community either, we are just 10% of the community.  I know I come across relatively strong sometimes and I apologize for that.

If you do come back, please realize that one vocal opponent to the idea is not representative of the entire supermajority.

I wish you the best in your future endeavors.

Rob

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Archived Proposals / Re: New Charity Organization - BLOOM

« on: January 26, 2018, 09:29:24 PM »

Thanks for the detailed reply. 

"*Yes, depending on how easy it is. If it's complicated, we may direct the people who want to write letters to our director of sponsorships directly. Again, we're an all-volunteer staff except for myself. But I have very complicated, detail and time intensive orphan hosting programs to run myself and with my volunteers, so we will have to keep the integration time investment small and simple. "

So let be me a little more specific on the IT requirements:
1) We need a publically visible web biography link for each child so the users can click on the bio and see who we sponsored.
From the sounds of the reply, you have no plans to do this until after we sponsor children (if ever).
2) We need a restful web page to transmit a letter to your home office so that it gets translated and sent to the child.  Our users do not print and mail letters.
3) We normally want letters from the children sent electronically to us.  We could potentially wait on this feature until later.

Please address these IT issues, if the features exist, need written, need a custom programmer, would be done before we sponsor etc.

Regarding "starting small", I find it a little disturbing that you reference in your proposal that these children will be "starving" because nothing is being done, yet it appears that you would be very willing for us to not come up with the money for the next compassion payment (but instead divert it to BLOOM).

Lets say we are very happy with compassion and I think our money is going to a good cause currently.  That means that I want to prioritize the relationship we have with our existing 190 children before bringing more on.  That means desiring to prepay for all of them six months out, at the very least.

We owe $7100 per month to compassion and have only broken even, so no, that does not mean "our problems are over" - as should have been pretty clear - its only been 25 days since I said the comment.

I believe we can afford one child for 3 months, with a total budget of approximately $120 for BLOOM at this time.

I think we need to come up with $21000 for Compassion in surplus, before we expand our relationship to something in the scale you propose here (980,000 BBP with no IT integration promises).

As it stands, Ill be voting no for all of these reasons, and would consider voting yes if *all* of these reasons were cleared up.