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C++ Blockchain Developer Recruiting
« on: January 16, 2018, 11:33:01 pm »
Rob asked me to recruit C++ Blockchain Developers, I jumped on it!
(in past I made posts to recruit Segwit Developer but only targeted Reddit)

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Reddit Posts:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7ph4k8/hiring_c_developer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/coindev/comments/7qwqau/hiring_c_developer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/cryptodev/comments/7qwsxx/hiring_c_developers/
https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinJobs/comments/7qwztd/hiring_c_developer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4Crypto/comments/7qx2jo/hiring_c_developer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4Bitcoins/comments/7sa9uf/hiringpartner_c_blockchain_developer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/hiring/comments/7rg008/hiringremote_c_blockchain_developer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/7ne705/whos_hiring_c_devs_q1_2018/dswnvp2/
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlockChain/comments/7rg6qc/hiring_c_blockchain_developers/

Slack:
/r/cpp - https://cpplang.now.sh/

Discord:
/r/startups

Hacker News (Y Combinator):
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16206048

Bitcointalk Forum:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2783598
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2783601

Job Board Posts:
https://cryptojobslist.com/remote/job/c-developer-at-biblepay-8zyvs13o3
https://blocktribe.com/job/2804/c-developer/
https://crypto.jobs/jobs/c-developer-at-biblepay ($99 to feature for 30 days)
https://coinality.com/jobs/c-developer-2/
https://cryptocurrencyjobs.co/remote/
https://www.indeed.com/job/c-developer-blockchain-66683c1c39a70f40
https://angel.co/biblepay/jobs/319658-c-developer-blockchain
https://www.remotelyawesomejobs.com/jobs/togo-shige-c-developer-blockchain
https://www.upwork.com/jobs/~0126dc55e1e8d5fcba
https://nodesk.co/remote-jobs/
http://www.hiredcrypto.com/index.php/job/biblepay-5-c-developer/
https://beincrypto.com/
http://blockchainjobz.com/job/c-blockchain-developer-biblepay/

Job Board In Review / Maintenance:
http://www.thecryptostreet.com/ (Database Error) (7 day free, 99$ per listing for 30 day)

Cost Money to Post:
https://www.crypto-talent.com/our-pricing/ (25 euros)
https://www.dice.com ($395)
https://remoteok.io ($300)
https://www.workingnomads.co ($150)
https://www.computerworlduk.com/jobs/ aka https://jobbio.com (199 euros)
https://www.linkedin.com/talent/jobs (at least $5 daily budget)
https://hiring.careerbuilder.com/recruiting-solutions/small-business-subscription-plans-and-pricing ($199/month)
http://www.blockchainjobboard.org/ ($49.95 1 month)
http://blockchainjobz.com (Have to contact them first)

Cost Money Recruiters:
https://blockchain.works-hub.com ($250 per CV, usually 20% base pay if applicant lands job)
https://www.blockchainjobs.co/ (Didnt bother)
https://cryptohire.io/ (Didnt bother)

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Indeed:
reviewed 17 submitted resumes

Upwork:
skimmed through hundreds of profiles and invited 29 with C++ skills

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Learn Blockchain Development (Compiled Resources)
https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/7rlzfu/learning_blockchain_development/

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8 hours - Researching Job Boards/Sites
8 hours - Posting Jobs
8 hours - More Job Posts
8 hours  - reviewing, responding to, talking with and forwarding job applicants to Rob
- researching and documenting materials to become a blockchain developer

32 hours at $20/hour = $640 divided by $0.005650 per BBP = 113,274 BPP

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QUESTIONS:

1. Did we want to spend any money on featuring job ads / paying for job ads?
$400-800 to be highlight/featured for current posted job ads for a month
$1000 to post ads in other job boards

2. Are there any job sites I missed?

3. Should I attempt to poach developers on other cryptocurrency projects?

4. Other than job boards, what other ways can we find skilled developers?

Z. Any other feedback, concerns, ideas, etc?

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NOTE: A month from now we should post all the job ads again, most expire after a month

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Re: C++ Blockchain Developer Recruiting
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2018, 02:13:41 am »
Great work! Did anyone reply yet?

I don't know about paying large amounts to get listed on some job-markets, if the job can also get done without those expenditures.


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Re: C++ Blockchain Developer Recruiting
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2018, 02:25:52 am »
Oh, and I still don't really know about the hourly that you ask, since in my view, this project should also be seen as something you do (partly) voluntarily.

But that doesn't mean I don't think you're worth it! I think you're doing a great job!



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Re: C++ Blockchain Developer Recruiting
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2018, 09:43:56 am »
Great work! Did anyone reply yet?

The main reddit job post now has over 180+ views,
Ive gotten 4 applicants so far, but I made it to where Im not totally the middle man,
so probably more than half the applicants will go directly to Rob

I wasnt sure how Rob wanted to do this, in a more traditional recruiting environment, the recruiter does an initial email, does a call, sells the position, potentially checks credentials/references, negotiates salary/hourly rate, sets up interview, talks to applicant after interview, etc etc.

Recruiters typically charge a 20-30% fee based on 1st year salary if applicant is accepted/gets the job.
I am not requesting a placement fee, though I would be open to a small one if the community is okay with that. This is how recruiters make the bulk of their pay, by landing candidates into jobs.

(I have dealt with over 100+ recruiters in my career and have successfully recruited a $70k/year software dev at a previous employer)

Rob will still have to do work interviewing/evaluating each candidate, getting them set up and running, etc, and I havent gotten any feedback on what happened to any interested devs from my previous SegWit developer posts, (which is why it can be good to have a middle man to check up on candidates after the fact)

There were 2 comments on the reddit job post that developers wont be interested in starting out initial work for free.

Anyways, Will be interesting to see how this all turns out


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Re: C++ Blockchain Developer Recruiting
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2018, 04:13:28 pm »
Awesome job Togo, I will vote yes for this! :)


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Re: C++ Blockchain Developer Recruiting
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2018, 03:41:53 pm »
Update:

Original Reddit -------- 341 Views (cryptocurrencyjobs.co and nodesk both point to here)
Crypto Jobs List ------- 362 Views
Crypto Jobs ------------- 229 Views (16 Shares)
Coinality -----------------   88 Views
Blocktribe ---------------   44 Views
Indeed -------------------  243 Views (22 candidates, some C++ exp, no blockchain exp)
RemotelyAwesome -- 307 Views
AngelList ---------------- N/A (4 applicants)
Upwork ------------------ N/A (14 proposals)
HiredCrypto ------------ N/A

I also had interesting discussion with a couple users on the C++ Slack

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There are a lot of candidates with great backgrounds, but no blockchain experience, I am going to invite those that are interested to our Slack/Discord and send them the blockchain learning materials I compiled, hopefully some of these seeds will sprout over time

There are other cool job sections we can target like Stack Overflow and Github, and a lot of Remote work sites, but they all cost money to post

Im pretty much finished with the work, a month from now Id like to come back and post the job ad everywhere again, since most of the research/digging has already been done, should be pretty easy. (and we can keep continuing to do this every month) In the farther off future we can also start paying for featured job ads.

For next round we need to target the words blockchain and cryptocurrency in the job title as well (for non crypto boards)

And we should look into finding where blockchain developers hang out and chat

The only other idea we should consider, is poaching/recruiting blockchain developers from other projects.

Overall it is going to be hard to find someone that even matches in skill to Rob while also having the same passion for the project, Rob is worth 10x his weight in gold.


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Re: C++ Blockchain Developer Recruiting
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2018, 01:09:15 pm »
An idea to find current blockchain devs:

Reach out to/contact everyone who has committed code to the bitcoin github,
and then move on to doing same thing for every other coin's github, working down the list on coinmarketcap,

I dont think Github has direct contact functionality and Im not sure how many github profiles have a contact method added, so each blockchain developer might require some research to find other avenues to contact them (twitter, website, blog, chat room, etc)

Would be an interesting project, Id be interested to move forward on this in the very near future.

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Another idea is to join any potential chat rooms of the crypto job boards and post there, I didnt know some of them had chat rooms
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Re: C++ Blockchain Developer Recruiting
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2018, 02:34:18 pm »
its sad,that we cant find any teh it guy


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Re: C++ Blockchain Developer Recruiting
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2018, 09:26:26 am »
Ive received about 35 candidates, approximately 80% were underqualified and didnt speak English and primarily looking for a day job and needed funding immediately by the hour.

Out of the remaining 7 candidates, 5 were good but not familiar with blockchain, and I didnt rule them out.  I emailed back and forth and they seemed to not really be into the BiblePay grass roots effort, they just wanted to work hourly.

The two that stuck however, Fabrice and Subrato, seemed to be experts in their field.  Fabrice has his own c++ product, but didnt know blockchain but seemed to be a genius.  He wanted $70 an hour and when I told him $35 to start, he asked his wife and then turned down the project.

Subrato is reviewing the code.
Unfortuntely we have had no Blockchain Devs approach us yet.  In my other community, all 7 of those devs randomly stopped by and posting github commits.  I think eventually we will have that, but we are new.

So Im still optimistic that with Togos help we will continue the interviewing process.



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Re: C++ Blockchain Developer Recruiting
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2018, 10:00:57 am »
Ive received about 35 candidates, approximately 80% were underqualified and didnt speak English and primarily looking for a day job and needed funding immediately by the hour.

Out of the remaining 7 candidates, 5 were good but not familiar with blockchain, and I didnt rule them out.  I emailed back and forth and they seemed to not really be into the BiblePay grass roots effort, they just wanted to work hourly.

The two that stuck however, Fabrice and Subrato, seemed to be experts in their field.  Fabrice has his own c++ product, but didnt know blockchain but seemed to be a genius.  He wanted $70 an hour and when I told him $35 to start, he asked his wife and then turned down the project.

Subrato is reviewing the code.
Unfortuntely we have had no Blockchain Devs approach us yet.  In my other community, all 7 of those devs randomly stopped by and posting github commits.  I think eventually we will have that, but we are new.

So Im still optimistic that with Togos help we will continue the interviewing process.

Thanks for the update Rob.

As you said, I hope we will attract more devs as we become more popular. I think us being back on an exchange/multiple exchanges will get help us get there.

Hopefully Subaru will give you a positive response.


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Re: C++ Blockchain Developer Recruiting
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2018, 11:27:02 pm »
Original Reddit --------  628 Views (cryptocurrencyjobs.co and nodesk both point to here)
Crypto Jobs List -------  644 Views
Crypto Jobs -------------  442 Views
Coinality -----------------  399 Views
Blocktribe ---------------    97 Views
Indeed ------------------ 1,065 Views (56 candidates)
RemotelyAwesome - 2,925 Views
AngelList ---------------- N/A (14 applicants)

So In almost 4 weeks, we went from 1,600 views to 6,200 views
Since its been about a month now, I think a lot of our free job posts will run out soon and Ill have to do another round of posts

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I read a statistic a couple weeks ago that there are 16 open blockchain developer jobs for every blockchain developer.

We really need BiblePay coin value to go up 3-5x+ to have a more strong/healthy IT budget
« Last Edit: February 15, 2018, 11:50:44 pm by togoshigekata »